Do you believe the innocent party in a situation

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Yes, but as A Quiet One, Miss B, Ron and myself have said over and over.....you would "take a share of the blame", but HE decided to sin.

It COULD be your fault.....but it's not your sin. He decides to SIN on his own.

You need to go back to agreeing to disagree on this point. Why does it frustrate you so that we won't agree with you?

Because it was not made clear to me that anyone agreed that the person putting forth the stumblingblock shared in the blame. Yes, it is his sin alone. I have already said that over and over too! I think we are reading past each other or not paying attention to each other.

If he stands before God for his adultery, she also stands before God as culpable. That's all I'm saying.

Now, I'm finished with my part of the discussion.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

I think the proof is in the pudding....

I know one minister whose first wife committed adultery. The man she did it with was very close to the husband also. The husband did everything he could to reconcile the relationship with his wife and the adulterating man. His wife eventually chose to leave him although he and the man are still very close.

He not only is still in ministry, but God has promoted the ministry in many ways. The Holy Spirit anointing on this man is about the strongest I've seen on anyone. I have personally seen devils cast out, people healed, and set free through his meetings.

If God is not hold this against him, why should man?

On another note I know of a man who was married/divorced before salvation. He got saved, called to the ministry, and has literally ministered to millions of people with multitudes of testimonies or healings, deliverances, etc.

Again I say, if God's not holding it against them then why should man?

I think people get stuck on minors and it holds them back. Love people, help people, but let God work out the details

Nice stories, but the idea that someone must have an approval of God on specific areas of life because people have responded with faith to their ministry is faulty. A minister can be living in outright sin and have great response to the preached word of God. It means nothing other than, God's word is powerful.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Abigail,
The party that sinned must answer for his deed. The party that caused his weak brother/sister to fall and fail must also answer for his/her part. BOTH have sinned and are wrong.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Of course the one that stumbles is responsible for himself. Yes, I agree! We are all accountable individually for our choices and actions.

What I have been getting, from the conversation here, is that the one that helped his brother to sin is absolved by the brother that actually performed the sinned. Or that it is NOT possible to help or cause your weak partner or brother/sister to fail and fall. That, IMO, contradicts the scriptures that I have put forth.

What I have been saying all along is that BOTH have sinned. If we all agree on that, then we have no argument.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Because it was not made clear to me that anyone agreed that the person putting forth the stumbling block shared in the blame. Yes, it is his sin alone. I have already said that over and over too! I think we are reading past each other or not paying attention to each other.

If he stands before God for his adultery, she also stands before God as culpable. That's all I'm saying.

Now, I'm finished with my part of the discussion.

I don't think we are reading past each other. You had stated over and over that you feel they both have sinned.

The rest of us feel the one party can share in the blame, but not the sin.

What you said in this last quoted post is what the rest of us believes and all that we've been saying over and over.

Now, I'm finished with my part of the discussion

[ILG]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Yes, but as A Quiet One, Miss B, Ron and myself have said over and over.....you would "take a share of the blame", but HE decided to sin.

It COULD be your fault.....but it's not your sin. He decides to SIN on his own.

You need to go back to agreeing to disagree on this point. Why does it frustrate you so that we won't agree with you?

Because you are right.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Nice stories, but the idea that someone must have an approval of God on specific areas of life because people have responded with faith to their ministry is faulty. A minister can be living in outright sin and have great response to the preached word of God. It means nothing other than, God's word is powerful.

Amen.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Nice stories, but the idea that someone must have an approval of God on specific areas of life because people have responded with faith to their ministry is faulty. A minister can be living in outright sin and have great response to the preached word of God. It means nothing other than, God's word is powerful.

I actually agree whole heartedly with you as you phrased your response. But both are "called" into ministry which is very evident by the operation of the Holy Spirit in their lives, which was actually the point I was trying to make.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I don't think we are reading past each other. You had stated over and over that you feel they both have sinned.

The rest of us feel the one party can share in the blame, but not the sin.

What you said in this last quoted post is what the rest of us believes and all that we've been saying over and over.

Now, I'm finished with my part of the discussion

Are you saying that the person that defrauded, was the stumblingblock or opened the other up to temptation was to blame, but did not sin by doing any of those alleged things?

Did you think I meant they were also accountable for the sin of adultery?

My point is that they sinned by defrauding, being a stumblingblock or by opening the other up to temptation. If that is not sinful, then I don't know what it is!

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

I actually agree whole heartedly with you as you phrased your response. But both are "called" into ministry which is very evident by the operation of the Holy Spirit in their lives, which was actually the point I was trying to make.

I see what you're saying.

I guess even the "calling" is, or could be subjective from my POV.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I see what you're saying.

I guess I even the "calling" is, or could be subjective from my POV.

Sure, now I know there is the element that you don't know who I am talking about, but the sad part is that some will assume they are not anointed, that they are in sin just because it goes against their theology.