President Invokes Quaran.

[SOUNWORTHY]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

From the article:

"As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and 1) heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and the fall of dusk," he continued. "As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace 2) in their Muslim faith. As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam ... 3) I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America's story."


1) I heard the same thing too, it is part of my life's experiences from Iraq and Afghanistan.

No one is calling me Muslim, but then again, I am not the Democratic President of the U.S. drawing the ire of overzealous political hacks who want to bend and twist evrything our President does into something negative.


2) NEWSFLASH!!! The average Muslim is not a terrorist! Most Democrats know this. Sometimes the way Republicans connect Islam with terrorism makes you think they don't know this.


3) At the worst, he was trying to create a common gorund for which our country and Muslims of the world can work from-- a common ground that never existed while GWB was President.

His actions, words and policies alienated our country from them. Our current President is trying to correct this.

To use a good old Illinois term " HOGWASH"!!! He's selling us down the river.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by oletime

1) what always part of americas history is he talking about ? 2) 100 years ago, did we even have a muslim in this country? i seriously doubt it . and 3) what debt does civilization owe to islam ? what a moron, 4) he is making gwb look like a genius. at least he could hold a press conference without a teleprompter. and he knew protocol from the get go . 5) there will never be any common ground they are our sworn enemies that is why the 6) quoran orders every practicing muslim to kill an infidel in his lifetime [that is defintiely me and i am presuming you too unless you worship allah JD if so i guess your off the hook]

Ah salaami lay kum to you too!!!


1) Maybe he's talking about the educated forerunners of our modern society being informed about Islam.



2) Does anyone know for sure? Maybe some of the slaves were before Christianity was forced on them (one of the things that satan meant for evil but God turned around for the good).

http://islam.about.com/od/history/a/afammuslims.htm

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com...hp?ref=reccafe




3) If there is anything that we get from the Middle East today or anything in the past, Islam is a part of whatever it is because of how they live their false religion. Islam IS their life.

One thing right away I can think of is Algebra-- but I guess that does not have any real world applications for you. Or maybe it does, but you're just not aware of it.




4) Ah, no he's not. Look at the world's reception and disrespect for GWB and look at the respect BHO is COMMANDING everywhere he goes. But it's ok to be blinded to this positive development-- just keep listening to the right wing political haks who can't wait for 2012 to get here.

Their energy would be better spent trying to support our President-- A Commander in Chief who's country is fighting two separate wars on two separate fronts with a the possibility of a third one. Go ahead, tear him down. In their zeal, the ones who tear him down viciously prove that they really don't love the United States of America.






5) We already have common ground. This is so basic, I won't insult you by reminding you of the common ground we share with the Middle East.







6) Why is it that the vast majority of Muslims do not interpret their book to mean that in a way that is to be carried out by murder or war today? Maybe because most Muslims don't interpret those verses that way in the first place.

Unfortunately, to many, if you've seen one Muslim, you've seen them all.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

To use a good old Illinois term " HOGWASH"!!! He's selling us down the river.

sure he is.

[oletime]

you gotta stop listening to chris mattews and his ilk commanding respect ? do you mean when he sent his tax cheat githner to china to speak and when he told the chinese university students that we are a reponsible finacial society they laughed openly in his face. thats repect ? how about the english reporter who wrote a scathing article in thier paper criticizing him for his apology tour, do you mean when he bowed to the waist to the saudi king and people in line with the king laughed thats respect ? the only person more nervous than the majority of americans is bin ladin who is scared to death he is going to convince the muslims he is a full muslim not just a half muslim . that alone scares me even more! btw im a virtual life long dem. but there is no way i could vote for that guy he is a left wing 60s radical whose only experience before he got this position was he was a community organizer well so were the BLACK PANTHERS. your known by the company you keep and a lot of his buddies were cop killers/ domestic terrorists and outright thieves and they dont apologize for it today and say they wish they did more

[SOUNWORTHY]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

sure he is.

I'm happy you agree with me for a change!! Maybe I'll convert you yet!!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

I'm happy you agree with me for a change!! Maybe I'll convert you yet!!

In your wildest dreams....


Besides, I don't need converting.

I am a Republican already-- just not on the "Obama is the pits" bandwagon.

[oletime]

ive heard of blue dog dems which i been told is me and reagan dems this is the first i heard of an obama republican, but i suspect there are many more, probably the same ones who elected clinton, at least the first time ?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by oletime

ive heard of blue dog dems which i been told is me and reagan dems this is the first i heard of an obama republican, but i suspect there are many more, probably the same ones who elected clinton, at least the first time ?

There were PLENTY of Republicans that crossed over this time-- a phenomenon that was well documented.

Palin was the sealer for me-- not that I don't like her as much as it was I am against political tokenism.

But that was the past....

[oletime]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

There were PLENTY of Republicans that crossed over this time-- a phenomenon that was well documented.

Palin was the sealer for me-- not that I don't like her as much as it was I am against political tokenism.

But that was the past....

true dat, peace bro.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by oletime

what always part of americas history is he talking about ? 100 years ago, did we even have a muslim in this country? i seriously doubt it .

Yes. Muslims have been a part of North American history since the 1700's. A number of prominent men from Gambia and Senegal were brought here as slaves and advanced Islam in various American communities, especially among the slaves.

and what debt does civilization owe to islam ? what a moron, he is making gwb look like a genius.

It should be noted that algebra is originally Islamic. In addition much of science, zoology, and medicine were advancing rapidly in the Islamic world while Europe was in the Dark Ages.

at least he could hold a press conference without a teleprompter.

Who cares?

there will never be any common ground they are our sworn enemies that is why the quoran orders every practicing muslim to kill an infidel in his lifetime [that is defintiely me and i am presuming you too unless you worship allah JD if so i guess your off the hook]

I think it would do you some good to study the Koran. Like the Bible texts can be lifted out of context. Most of the Koran are letters and revelations written to those who were in Muhammad's immediate presence. They were often at war with various cities and tribes and Muhammad's statements have to be viewed with this reality in mind. Just like in our OT, God often commanded Israel to slaughter their enemies, sparing neither women or children. However, that was for that specific moment and typically serving as a judgment upon those people. The Koran has to be read a lot like this. Without sufficient background information about the context of a passage in a Surah it may indeed appear to be commanding them to kill everyone. But it's not. This is why your typical Muslim disdains the radical fundamentalist Muslims. Most are very ignorant men who are taking the Koran far too literal without any context.