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Old 06-05-2009, 11:31 AM
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Re: David Bernard's 2008 "Holiness & Culture" Pape

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# 3 seems to say that we must uphold our expressions of bible teaching reagardless of Theology????

(3) If they are appropriate expressions and applications of biblical teaching—whether specific statements of Scripture or valid implementations of scriptural principles—we must uphold them regardless of the shifting opinions of modern culture, philosophy, and theology.

My observations and knowledge of UC teachings/demands/instruction on standards are that if there is no scripture to support it, you use the old-----it's a Bible principle!

It's usually taught with a lot of guilt thrown in for good measure.


(This is not a reflection on those with personal convictions, but rather aimed at those who follow because they must, not out of a spirit and heart felt leading.)
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Old 06-05-2009, 09:09 PM
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Re: David Bernard's 2008 "Holiness & Culture" Pape

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More of the same. **yawn**

Looks like he's paying lip service to appearing to be progressive-thinking or open to take another look. But items 1 and 2 are easily cancelled out by item 3. Item 3 is an umbrella clause that assures that nothing will change.

Nothing new here.
I agree 100%. When I read the statement the first thing that popped into my mind was "smoke & mirrors".

The same logic that allows UPCers to say that standards are not salvational but the reality of their culture is that they are no matter what they say.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

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"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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Old 06-06-2009, 08:03 AM
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Re: David Bernard's 2008 "Holiness & Culture" Pape

If Bernard quoted from the Koran, it would make a nice Obama piece.

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I agree 100%. When I read the statement the first thing that popped into my mind was "smoke & mirrors".

The same logic that allows UPCers to say that they standards are not salvatoinal but the reality of their culture is that they are no matter what they say.
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