Why Such A Fuss Over Standards!!

[Falla39]

It's not my place to put anyone into hell and I have not done that!
I am not accountable for those that do. Every one will give an account
of the deeds done in the body, whether it be good or evil.

I'll leave it right there!

Blessings,

Falla39

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I will say this and I know that won't be very popular here, but I believe it is false doctrine and, therefore also a lie, to say that speaking in tongues is not evidence of the Holy Ghost/Sprit and that we do not need it to be saved.

Why do I believe that?

Galatians 3:14 "That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."

Acts 2:33 "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."

Another strong point begins at the Galatians 3:1 "O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

What did Jesus say about one of the reason's he would have to be die? Not only to save us from our sins, but in order for the Comforter to come and dwell in us.

John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"

John 16:7 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you."

Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

Romans 8:11-12 "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."

He testifies in Acts 2:33 that what they see and what they hear is the Holy Ghost that was promised.

Galatians 3:15 "Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto."

I see many leave, and not necessarily always because of the standards, but they also leave the truth - that the Holy Ghost is evidenced by speaking in tongues or that it is salvific. That is not negotiable for me. That may be another reason that people who stay in, regardless of the standards, don't want to follow. Just my observation.

The issue of shaking people and forcing them to an altar, etc. is a whole separate matter.

I know that when I received the Holy Ghost I spoke in tongues... but none of the above scriptures specifically say that tongues is the evidence.

I think this verse comes closer:


Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I know that when I received the Holy Ghost I spoke in tongues... but none of the above scriptures specifically say that tongues is the evidence.

I think this verse comes closer:


Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

You must have missed Acts 2:33.

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You must have missed Acts 2:33.

I don't nessarily disagree with your premise, but nothing about Acts 2:33 implies EVIDENCE by speaking in tongues. I think that's a stretch.

Hate that I was too busy today to participate in this thread. It's been a good one.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by OnTheFritz

I don't nessarily disagree with your premise, but nothing about Acts 2:33 implies EVIDENCE by speaking in tongues. I think that's a stretch.

Hate that I was too busy today to participate in this thread. It's been a good one.

I don't believe that can be a stretch - at all. When you read Acts 2:4 it bears out that they were speaking in tongues.

The context of Acts is based on Psalms 16 and Psalm 110. If the writer was only referring to his words to them concerning those OT scriptures, he would have said "hear" only, but he also said, "see". Therefore, they were hearing and seeing something and verse 4 bears out what that would be - tongues, i.e., the Holy Spirit.

It was the "seal" set upon them - Ephesians 1:13 "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,"

That's why Galatians 3:15 can say - "Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Galatians 3 is all about the Holy Ghost.

It only makes sense, IMO.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

And so we agree - Do not cut and run - allow the Lord to move you and/or instruct you to stay - not every situation will be the same.

The main thing is to follow His leading - there are children and weak saints watching - we must do the right thing by example.

I remember Nona Freeman telling us at a Ladies Meeting - "If you don't like your pastor - pray that God will change him or move him or that God will change you or move you." Now, that is wisdom!!!

But you'd just say someone was "cutting and running" -

Is there a time limited on this so that it's not seen as cutting and running?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

But you'd just say someone was "cutting and running" -

Is there a time limited on this so that it's not seen as cutting and running?

Well, logically and obviously, it would be left up to the individual who would be the only one that knows the voice of God in their life.

[crakjak]

Well, Lord have mercy, hasn't this thread been a trip!!!!

[MissBrattified]

I believe tongues is an initial, outward sign of being filled with the Holy Ghost, but it isn't the only sign. And quite frankly, if a person speaks in tongues all day long but doesn't exhibit the fruits of the spirit, then I don't think they have the Spirit of God.

The Bible says, "...by THIS shall all men know you are my disciples, that you have love one to another." It doesn't say that people will know we're Spirit filled because of our tongue talking.

I Corinthians 13 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
...And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
...And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing."

I think this passage puts *tongues* in their proper perspective.

Tongues is a sign that follows them that believe--meaning it comes after a person has believed.

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

I would say these signs are fairly common among many Pentecostal denominations, including those who don't teach the necessity of tongues, but still accept the practice or the sign, with the exception of serpents and drinking deadly things.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I believe tongues is an initial, outward sign of being filled with the Holy Ghost, but it isn't the only sign. And quite frankly, if a person speaks in tongues all day long but doesn't exhibit the fruits of the spirit, then I don't think they have the Spirit of God.

The Bible says, "...by THIS shall all men know you are my disciples, that you have love one to another." It doesn't say that people will know we're Spirit filled because of our tongue talking.

I Corinthians 13 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
...And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
...And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing."

I think this passage puts *tongues* in their proper perspective.

Amen, Sistah!