Conservative Camp Meeting, Ventura, CA.06/22-06/26

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by On The Wheel

I wish some would post and explain. I bare them no ill will. In fact, I have been one all my life. In fact my wife and daughters wear nothing but non-bifurcated garments. However, recent study has caused me to understand the tenuous foundations that undergird this issue and some other "core" holiness doctrines of the UPCI.

Intense, objective study reveals that some of these "standard" issues are not core doctrines of the Bible at all. Rather, they are surprisingly almost nonexistant or even absent in scripture altogether. At best, some of these positions are so unclear as to be open to multiple legitimate interpretations by honest Christian people.

This is not to be allowed by certain hierarchy. This is what has troubled me, and I am sure many others here.

Yes.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by On The Wheel

I wish some would post and explain. I bare them no ill will. In fact, I have been one all my life. In fact my wife and daughters wear nothing but non-bifurcated garments. However, recent study has caused me to understand the tenuous foundations that undergird this issue and some other "core" holiness doctrines of the UPCI.

Intense, objective study reveals that some of these "standard" issues are not core doctrines of the Bible at all. Rather, they are surprisingly almost nonexistant or even absent in scripture altogether. At best, some of these positions are so unclear as to be open to multiple legitimate interpretations by honest Christian people.

This is not to be allowed by certain hierarchy. This is what has troubled me, and I am sure many others here.

Correct assessment.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by On The Wheel

Apparently not! I guess they got tired of defending indefensible positions and abandoned the field. That can be exhausting. Disheartening. Frustrating.

or they just got tired of the same non-stop attacks on their beliefs? After a while it can get old and they either avoid those topics or leave,

[On The Wheel]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

or they just got tired of the same non-stop attacks on their beliefs? After a while it can get old and they either avoid those topics or leave,

It is sad when the search for truth is spun as an attack on beliefs. Believe me, I have no ax to grind and have no desire to destroy anyone's beliefs. Anyone visiting our church or my family would find us as conservative in outward appearance as most right leaning UPCI churches.

However, we will all answer to God for our adherance to scripture, not dogma. The world is going to hell fast. It needs a church that preaches pure truth that sets men free, not man-made traditionalism. Sin and evil, as scripture defines them, must be challenged.

I suppose I grow weary with fighting battles, expending resources, and seeing casualties pile up on battlefields that may not be of primary importance.

[Steve Epley]

If women want to wear pants and be an abomination to God that is their choice.

[Brad Murphy]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If women want to wear pants and be an abomination to God that is their choice.

Yes, and if men wish to claim that Westberg was a good man, that is their choice...

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If women want to wear pants and be an abomination to God that is their choice.

Classic Epley! LoL


Prayin for you.

[On The Wheel]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If women want to wear pants and be an abomination to God that is their choice.

Amazing! Nowhere does the bible say pants on a woman is an abomination to God. The question what is men's and women's apparel is NOT DEFINED. My original question was is still unanswered. Dogma is all that matters.

I am tired of dogma replacing scripture. I am weary with narrowing the already narrow way. I am fed up with the those who refuse do present bible arguments for positions they are willing to condemn others to Hell over.

Things are wrong because the leaders said they are wrong, and that's just the way it is. Things are right because the leaders say they are right. The bible is subordinate to our forefathers.

It's positively Orwelian!

Where is Truth?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by On The Wheel

Amazing! Nowhere does the bible say pants on a woman is an abomination to God. The question what is men's and women's apparel is NOT DEFINED. My original question was is still unanswered. Dogma is all that matters.

I am tired of dogma replacing scripture. I am weary with narrowing the already narrow way. I am fed up with the those who refuse do present bible arguments for positions they are willing to condemn others to Hell over.

Things are wrong because the leaders said they are wrong, and that's just the way it is. Things are right because the leaders say they are right. The bible is subordinate to our forefathers.

It's positively Orwelian!

Where is Truth?

It doesn't say it. Only in traditional apostolic/UPC teachings, do we get the pants=abomination argument and we KNOW what trumps what most of the time, aka, tradition versus the Word.

[GrowingPains]

Let's find out... another poll? LOL