Church Fathers Opinion of Hair - Page 4

GrowingPains · #31 07-02-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

It was just the most "Day of Pentecostic" thing I could think of.

Ha! I say Day of Pentecost because all agree that was the birth of the church. From there is where all the controversy has come from. And yes, DOP was not some strange, crazed event. "This was that prophesied by the prophet Joel", right into Peter's message, and the 3,000 souls that were added.

*AQuietPlace* · #32 07-02-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GrowingPains

Some good common sense thoughts in here.

One point, I don't think most make this a soteriological issue (matter of salvation), but reason it as an ecclesiasiological (concerning the theology of the church).

I have always heard it taught as salvational.

If you cut your hair (women) you have sinned, you will go to hell unless you repent. (that's the way it was taught)

*AQuietPlace* · #33 07-02-2009, 04:30 PM

Where did Paul get the idea that GOD REQUIRED a woman's head to be covered? With anything, veil or hair?

GrowingPains · #34 07-02-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I have always heard it taught as salvational.

If you cut your hair (women) you have sinned, you will go to hell unless you repent. (that's the way it was taught)

I have too. But I've also heard it as non-salvific, but emphasized just the same on the account of ecclesiology.

GrowingPains · #35 07-02-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Where did Paul get the idea that GOD REQUIRED a woman's head to be covered? With anything, veil or hair?

Very curious was Jewish history reveals here. Doing some current studying on this, as well as interaction with a Rabbi. I'll report if anything neworthy comes out of it.

RandyWayne · #36 07-02-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I have always heard it taught as salvational.

If you cut your hair (women) you have sinned, you will go to hell unless you repent. (that's the way it was taught)

Didn't you know that there will be NO bobbed haired women in the bride? (Unless of course the woman's name is "Bob" that is.)

Justin · #37 07-02-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I have always heard it taught as salvational.

If you cut your hair (women) you have sinned, you will go to hell unless you repent. (that's the way it was taught)

This particular UPC church seems to teache Holiness Standards are salvational:

http://cornerstonepc.net/index.php?o...-for-salvation

Just look at the results of the poll thus far. The fact that they even have a poll which asks this questions raises an eyebrow.

Sam · #38 07-02-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLegalist

So this reasoning for contempt of scripture is based on what? Paul does not give such reasoning and his foundation is not based on culture in the text but Spiritual prinicples of God witnessed and verified by the Apostle himself. Whether you agree it's hair or veiling or both... Little reasoning can be given to it doesn't apply today from the text. That would be reasoning external to the text itself.

Also who justified changing such principles of modesty in culture was right? If we want to get into warranted reasons for excluding we can also give for modesty and love for inclusion more which are principle based. Even more so in this perverted lustful generation.

I don't think my post reflected any "contempt of scripture."

Paul addressed a situation in a given time and in a given place. At that time and in that place women were considered immoral if they appeared in public without a veil. Paul was teaching them not to indulge in activity (going without a veil) that would seem immoral and scandalous to those around them.

What is the application? Avoid behavior that goes against contemporary morality.

GrowingPains · #39 07-02-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin

This particular UPC church seems to teache Holiness Standards are salvational:

http://cornerstonepc.net/index.php?o...-for-salvation

Just look at the results of the poll thus far. The fact that they even have a poll which asks this questions raises an eyebrow.

haha. The poll gave me a tickle. You could find more if you want, but when discussing this, we should differentiate, and understand that not all consider it salvific.

GrowingPains · #40 07-02-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I don't think my post reflected any "contempt of scripture."

Paul addressed a situation in a given time and in a given place. At that time and in that place women were considered immoral if they appeared in public without a veil. Paul was teaching them not to indulge in activity (going without a veil) that would seem immoral and scandalous to those around them.

What is the application? Avoid behavior that goes against contemporary morality.

Shame, Sam! Are you suggesting culture has something to do with this!?