Supreme Court to Hear Case on Obama

[coadie]

There are lots of rules regarding certificates of live birth. 1
1 They are never self proclaimed. Obama making his own declaration of birth is an example.
They all contain a doc signature if a doc delivered the kid or a midwife etc.
There are a lot of examples of obama's being a fake. His was done by a word processor and they were not invented when he was born.
Obama and his 1/2 sister don't even agree in which hospital in Hawaaii to claim was his place of birth.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

Oops...all of the article didn't copy. You can view at http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=103898

I watched from the 55:25 mark on, and it looked like they were all having fun with the questions. Lots of laughter.

Not sure what gloryseeker's stance is on this, so this isn't directed to specifically. I was just responding to their post.

They have an official record of a certification of a live birth. They have 2 birth announcements in Honolulu newspapers for that year and that day, both stating a son was born to his parents. The Supreme Court has dismissed two lawsuits over this. Hawaiian officials have verified that he does have a valid birth certificate.

I see the need for some people to continue pushing this illogical argument. They didn't vote for the guy, they want to see him fail, and this is the type of sensationalist idea that attracts those types of people. But of all the arguments against him, this is the one they attach their horse to? There are other things to bash him over that are much more well-founded. People pushing this agenda come off the same as "we didn't go to the moon" people.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Twisp

I watched from the 55:25 mark on, and it looked like they were all having fun with the questions. Lots of laughter.

Not sure what gloryseeker's stance is on this, so this isn't directed to specifically. I was just responding to their post.

They have an official record of a certification of a live birth. They have 2 birth announcements in Honolulu newspapers for that year and that day, both stating a son was born to his parents. The Supreme Court has dismissed two lawsuits over this. Hawaiian officials have verified that he does have a valid birth certificate.

I see the need for some people to continue pushing this illogical argument. They didn't vote for the guy, they want to see him fail, and this is the type of sensationalist idea that attracts those types of people. But of all the arguments against him, this is the one they attach their horse to? There are other things to bash him over that are much more well-founded. People pushing this agenda come off the same as "we didn't go to the moon" people.

What would be wrong with producing the Birth Certificate? Produce it and verify it and it becomes a non issue. Seems like that would be easy and then this stuff could be settled. It's a non issue anyway because the only way he'll be put out of office before his four years is up would result in mucho viloence.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

What would be wrong with producing the Birth Certificate? Produce it and verify it and it becomes a non issue. Seems like that would be easy and then this stuff could be settled. It's a non issue anyway because the only way he'll be put out of office before his four years is up would result in mucho viloence.

He did. His certification of live birth document has been released for some time.

http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Twisp

He did. His certification of live birth document has been released for some time.

http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg

Why would Obama spend a couple of million of dollars to throw 20+ cases out of court instead of $15 to produce the bonafide document?

http://theobamafile.com/ObamaCOLB.htm

[coadie]

The "Certification of Live Birth" posted online and widely touted as "Obama's birth certificate" does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same "short-form" document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true "long-form" birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.

The real document has the docs name on it.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103633

This enterprise show what a genuine certificate looks like and Obama's photo shopped one.

Now it looks like snopes lied.

As soon as WND posted questions about the letter – including a story investigating conflicting news reports stating he was born at more than one Honolulu hospital – within hours a number of information sites, such as United Press International and the hoax-busting Snopes.com, swapped their long-published location of Obama's birth from Honolulu's Queen's Medical Center to Kapi'olani.

we are dealiing with liars. Snopes changed the name of the hospital. The fraudulent certificate on the web never shows the hospital.


http://www.reformation.org/frank-mar...vis-obama.html


Thanks to friends of Hillary who really did their legwork on this. Obama in his books which I have read refers to Davis. It has not been that long since Obama admitted Dreams to My father referred to davis. How about a DNA test. Obama used and sold drugs with Frank Marshall Davis. We will find the truth one day. I suspect Obama's lack of cooperation tells us a lot.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Newman

Why would Obama spend a couple of million of dollars to throw 20+ cases out of court instead of $15 to produce the bonafide document?

http://theobamafile.com/ObamaCOLB.htm

Birth certificate or not, the certification of live birth is a valid document and does verify he is a US citizen. It has been proven valid by a number of different sources. Why he doesn't release the actual one, I don't know. I know that I do not have my original one. I had to order another one when I got my passport. Maybe he doesn't have the time to personally do it. Maybe he has more pressing issues and realizes that the majority of Americans think he he has all of the qualifications needed to be president and doesn't want to give credence to the small minority that thinks otherwise. Who knows?

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Birth certificate or not, the certification of live birth is a valid document and does verify he is a US citizen. It has been proven valid by a number of different sources. Why he doesn't release the actual one, I don't know. I know that I do not have my original one. I had to order another one when I got my passport. Maybe he doesn't have the time to personally do it. Maybe he has more pressing issues and realizes that the majority of Americans think he he has all of the qualifications needed to be president and doesn't want to give credence to the small minority that thinks otherwise. Who knows?

1. We don't have proof that the document offered up on the internet was indeed a valid document. To the contrary, forensic analysts say that it is not.

2. Even if it was (which it wasn't) people born outside of Hawaii also can have the type of document posted. WEIRD Hawaii rules... The forged document was likely based on his half sisters document. She was not born in Hawaii.

3. Even if he was born in Hawaii (which is doubtful) he is still not a NATURAL born citizen because his father had an allegiance to a foreign country (British citizenship). The Constitution of the United States and case law denote that natural citienship is different than just citizenship.

4. BUT, to add fuel to the fire; there is also the realization that he was adopted by an Indonesian citizen (his step dad) and thus had Indonesian citizenship. A natural born citizen can never have had an allegiance to any country but the USA.

5. The question lingers about what passport he used to travel to Pakastan when he was 20. At that time they weren't letting American citizens in. Interestingly enough, it was after that trip, that Obama took up his Muslim name and went to Columbia College to continue his radical education.

6. All he has to do is call Hawaii and tell them to release what they have. Instead he spends almost 2 million dollars on more than 20 lawsuits arguing that nobody has standing to challenge him. For $15 he could end most of the charades.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Birth certificate or not, the certification of live birth is a valid document and does verify he is a US citizen. It has been proven valid by a number of different sources. Why he doesn't release the actual one, I don't know. I know that I do not have my original one. I had to order another one when I got my passport. Maybe he doesn't have the time to personally do it. Maybe he has more pressing issues and realizes that the majority of Americans think he he has all of the qualifications needed to be president and doesn't want to give credence to the small minority that thinks otherwise. Who knows?

You are covering for him. You are busted.
He actually did have a court hearing in Honolulu. He did have time. He told the media he was visiting granny. He had a court date with this man.

(HONOLULU, HI)(October 22, 2008) Internet powerhouse Andy Martin told a Honolulu news conference today that after an intense international investigation he is convinced that Barack Obama, Junior, the presidential candidate is really the son of Obama’s controversial mentor Frank Marshall Davis.

look andy martin had the lawsuits and the actual court hearings. I remember readin obama lying about why he suddenly had to visit granny as an emergency a couple weeks after her "surgery"

“Mendacious adults ‘switched’ Obama at birth. That is why he has refused to allow access to the original or ‘vault’ birth certificate,” Martin told a Honolulu news conference. “We believe the original certificate did not list a father. Barack Obama became the father as a result of an agreement between Ann Dunham, Frank Marshall Davis and Barack Obama, Sr.



“Davis was already married to a White Woman. He did not need a nonmarital child by a second one. Ann probably refused to have what was then called a ‘back alley’ abortion. Davis may have felt that ‘Obama’ would face less stigma with an ‘African’ background than a Negro one. The civil rights revolution, of course, turned that gambit upside down. In discovering and understanding what happened we cannot forget we are dealing with events in 1961, not 2008.



“The irony in all of this is that Obama once stated he did not want his daughters to be ‘victimized’ with a child. And he is alive because his mother took the contrary view.



“Barack Obama has known this since adulthood, and the shock of this discovery still reverberates in his psyche.

Andy martin is a lawyer and private investigator. He has investigated more than one Chicago crook even before you knew who Obama was.


(he has time. He doesn't go to church because he is busy. Playing basket ball in his new gym.)

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Newman

1. We don't have proof that the document offered up on the internet was indeed a valid document. To the contrary, forensic analysts say that it is not.

2. Even if it was (which it wasn't) people born outside of Hawaii also can have the type of document posted. WEIRD Hawaii rules... The forged document was likely based on his half sisters document. She was not born in Hawaii.

3. Even if he was born in Hawaii (which is doubtful) he is still not a NATURAL born citizen because his father had an allegiance to a foreign country (British citizenship). The Constitution of the United States and case law denote that natural citienship is different than just citizenship.

4. BUT, to add fuel to the fire; there is also the realization that he was adopted by an Indonesian citizen (his step dad) and thus had Indonesian citizenship. A natural born citizen can never have had an allegiance to any country but the USA.

5. The question lingers about what passport he used to travel to Pakastan when he was 20. At that time they weren't letting American citizens in. Interestingly enough, it was after that trip, that Obama took up his Muslim name and went to Columbia College to continue his radical education.

6. All he has to do is call Hawaii and tell them to release what they have. Instead he spends almost 2 million dollars on more than 20 lawsuits arguing that nobody has standing to challenge him. For $15 he could end most of the charades.

You covered a lot of the great points. If he is the blood son of Frank Marshall Davis, then is is by blood an American. I know Christians understand the word Truth. If Obama was honest, he would be in a hurry to get the truth out. Forensics testing tell us the fake BC is less than 24 months old.
14,5 million angry people have no jobs. They have promises he will not keep. They have reason to not trust him and this is an apportunity to give trust. Too busy to release it. That is a lie. He plays golf and runs to NYC to shop. He is loaded with lawyers that can make on 5 minute phone call.
Enablers are afraid of truth.