Supreme Court to Hear Case on Obama

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Newman

Techdude is an "active member of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, American College of Forensic Examiners, The International Society of Forensic Computer Examiners, International Information Systems Forensics Association - the list goes on. He also a board certified as a forensic computer examiner, a certificated legal investigator, and a licensed private investigator. He has been performing computer based forensic investigations since 1993 (although back then it did not even have a formal name yet) and he has performed countless investigations since then."

His work is laid out and right there so that any other forensic fraud examiner could critique it and say it was a bunch of balony. Where are they?

Instead, lay people have been given the job to authenticate certificate of birth. Why? Really?

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...exclusive.html

He doesn't even give his real name, as far as I can tell. He hides behind a screenname, whereas the sources I gave are out in the open, real names and all. He could be anyone behind that screenname, we have no idea. If there was hard evidence, it would be released by now. Instead, all we have are "screennames" giving out their qualifications over the internet.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Newman

coadie- In fairness to Twisp, I do not believe he intentionally made a "dishonest claim." One can be mistaken or uninformed about how such things work without any intent to convey a falsehood.

You are correct. Telling me to accept snopes was intentional. finding snopes had changed I dug deeper.

All of these were called or visited from November 20 - December 2nd 2008. It is confirmed, OBAMA was not born in any hospital in Honolulu County! NONE AS A FACT!
Hospital employees were bribed, some gave info for free.
Hospitals you can check yourself (Hint on the process: Most of the following Hospitals didn’t exist in Honolulu County at time of Obama’s birth so this was an academic exercise) The main two hospitals claimed that definitely existed are above and both have no record of Obama or Mother Ann in either of them.

The Queen’s Medical Center - Honolulu, Hawaii Obama claims as his birth hospital

Kapi’ olani Medical Center Obama’s sister claims Barack Obama born here Honolulu Shriners Hospital Never a patient Mom or Obama
Straub Clinic & Hospital Never a patient Mom or Obama
Hawaii Health Systems Corporation - Honolulu, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
Cancer Institute of Maui - Wailuku, Hawaii No Comment ???

Kuakini Hospital - Honolulu, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
Rehabilitation Hospital of the Pacific - Honolulu, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
St. Francis Healthcare System of Hawaii - Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
Straub Heatlh - Honolulu, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
Tripler Medical Center - Honolulu, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
Wahiawa General Hospital - Wahiawa, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
Wilcox Memorial Hospital - Lihue, Kauai, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
We were pretty detailed in our calls and visits thanks to dozens of native Hawaiian patriots! To the College Republicans all over the Island kudos!. You can look at every hospital here and call or visit any of them. Everyone has a family member working in a hospital. Talk, pay and bribe. You can file freedom of information acts, you can do everything and anything you wish. Barack Obama was never born in a hospital in Hawaii as claimed.

With HIPPAA, they have limits on sharing info in files.

Just some details. It is half sister and not sister and Even Obama has changed his claim since December of last year.


Summary.

Last fall Obama claimed one hospital and his half sister claimed another . Recently Obama sent a fundraising letter claiming the hospital his sister claimed. Snopes had relied on what Obama said last year and now Obama sends a not this year with a different tune. So the Pres himself has changed his claim. It can be neither.
Now I am taking the blame off of both snopes and twisp because it traces back to Obama originating contradiction. (snopes is just a gossip deal and never does real investigation)

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Twisp

He doesn't even give his real name, as far as I can tell. He hides behind a screenname, whereas the sources I gave are out in the open, real names and all. He could be anyone behind that screenname, we have no idea. If there was hard evidence, it would be released by now. Instead, all we have are "screennames" giving out their qualifications over the internet.

You are off the hook. snopes was shown to be wrong by me. Obama shows snopes to be wrong and himself to be wrong.

"Twisp" Hiding behind a screen name? Don't you say people that do that are what?

yeppers you have a real out in the open screen name to hide behind.

If there was hard evidence, it would be released by now? Wrong. Obama says he was born at Queens, now he send a letter to a different hospital and says he was born there. When you are wrong, you never want to prove that with hard evidence.
we call that saving face.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by coadie

You are off the hook. snopes was shown to be wrong by me. Obama shows snopes to be wrong and himself to be wrong.

"Twisp" Hiding behind a screen name? Don't you say people that do that are what?

yeppers you have a real out in the open screen name to hide behind.

If there was hard evidence, it would be released by now? Wrong. Obama says he was born at Queens, now he send a letter to a different hospital and says he was born there. When you are wrong, you never want to prove that with hard evidence.
we call that saving face.

I am not the one claiming to be a forgery expert. He very well may be an expert. It is impossible to know just by going off his screenname and his posts. And yes, it is possible for Snopes to be wrong. It is possible for anyone to be wrong. It is possible for you to say there is not signature on his birth certificate when in fact there is. All is possible.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Twisp

He doesn't even give his real name, as far as I can tell. He hides behind a screenname, whereas the sources I gave are out in the open, real names and all. He could be anyone behind that screenname, we have no idea. If there was hard evidence, it would be released by now. Instead, all we have are "screennames" giving out their qualifications over the internet.

Twisp- If memory serves me right, there were at least two forensic examiners who spoke out anonymously. One of them ended up with an animal with a slit throat (a rabbit)? on their doorstep. Do I know it happened for sure? No. Is it believable? Yes.

But the fact remains; the citation I showed you lays out his/her thought process in finding the document to be fraudulent. It is out in the open for another examiner to contest.

I have no doubt that we would see such article by a forensic examiner disputing this claim on KOS or the Huffington Post, if there was one. And I don't doubt that the Atlas Shrugs website would either debate it or take their post down if it was proven implausible.

Those that gave their real names in support of document; had no real reason to fear they would that they would find a dead animal on their doorstep or be stalked by Acorn or other groups. Furthermore, their endorsement as lay people is IRRELEVANT anyway.

Why not bring on a forensic examiner with real credentials and let him speak for the document? For that matter, why not send it to court instead of paying 2 million dollars worth of attorney fees (likely out of campaign funds) when the issue is brought up in court. Why?

[coadie]

http://www.wargs.com/political/obama.html

great detailed geneology

On his campaign web site, he says Queens hospital. When people are dishonest, eventually their own storeis don't match. (I have never found someone to know where they were born and in 7 months the location changed.)

[Jermyn Davidson]

I bet you I can find 10 random people who do not remember the exact name of the hospital they were born at, starting with yours truly.

I know I was born in MD, Prince Georges County-- I have an idea about the hospital, but not sure on the exact name or if it is even there.


Why don't you all get a life who really think that our President was not born in America!

Get a life! Attack his politics if you must, but be intelligent in your criticisms.


Idiots believe that our President is somehow not American!

[oletime]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I bet you I can find 10 random people who do not remember the exact name of the hospital they were born at, starting with yours truly.

I know I was born in MD, Prince Georges County-- I have an idea about the hospital, but not sure on the exact name or if it is even there.


Why don't you all get a life who really think that our President was not born in America!

Get a life! Attack his politics if you must, but be intelligent in your criticisms.


Idiots believe that our President is somehow not American!

i think thats a stretch jd, i remember where i was born, i also have my original birth certificate and my hospital bill too. that was saved by my mom ! ps it was 79.00 bucks and some change lol and im not that old. i cant imagine too many people who wouldnt. obama is lying about a lot of stuff including his education. ps his college thesis was high school level. he aint as bright as he pretends. show everything, then we will believe . his own relatives dispute what he says.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I bet you I can find 10 random people who do not remember the exact name of the hospital they were born at, starting with yours truly.

I know I was born in MD, Prince Georges County-- I have an idea about the hospital, but not sure on the exact name or if it is even there.


Why don't you all get a life who really think that our President was not born in America!

Get a life! Attack his politics if you must, but be intelligent in your criticisms.


Idiots believe that our President is somehow not American!

Democrats are famous for insultaive name calling.
The law says natural born citizen. Citizens have rights to expect law makers to follow the laws. I can't say I have ever interviewd a prospective employee that did not know where they were born. The law also requires new hires to fill out an I-9 form which requires them to show citizenship and either a passport or other proofs of identity. Obama is a typical slacker and probably never has had an ordinary job and beeen asked to prove the above. Do you know what an I-9 form is? I also know it is a 2,000 dollar fine if i get caught hiring someone not legally elgible to work in the U.S.
Educated and intelligent do not make trite generalizations. Did your school mention that the Western hemisphere is part of the Americas from the arctic sea to the antartica? U.s citizens are a separate group.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I bet you I can find 10 random people who do not remember the exact name of the hospital they were born at, starting with yours truly.

I know I was born in MD, Prince Georges County-- I have an idea about the hospital, but not sure on the exact name or if it is even there.


Why don't you all get a life who really think that our President was not born in America!

Get a life! Attack his politics if you must, but be intelligent in your criticisms.


Idiots believe that our President is somehow not American!

Some believe idiots have bought into he is somehow an American!

IF he is truly an American citizen he would have long ago shown his real birth certificate. IMO