The UPC is a dying movement!

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I see. A certain music professor may have tweaked those particular stats....

I wonder what they are across the board.

I'm sure there was some influence there, especially with Music Majors. But we also had Bible teachers like Dan Lewis, Don Fisher, Joe Howell and others who pushed us.

I would say JCM's figures are probably different than the overall average.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Sherri

I'm sure there was some influence there, especially with Music Majors. But we also had Bible teachers like Dan Lewis, Don Fisher, Joe Howell and others who pushed us.

I would say JCM's figures are probably different than the overall average.

Seems ABI has had several that have "defected" from the mothership too. Robert Sabin / Bernie Gilespie that were teachers there and our own beloved MOW, who was a top student there.

[On The Wheel]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I honestly don't relish in the death of any org really. I don't wish to write the UPCI's epitaph nor will I dance on the grave. However, change is inevitable....misery is optional!

The problem is that the UPCI has labelled so many things sin which are not labelled sin in the scripture, that it would be extremely embarrassing and assaulting its integrity, to back track. However, Jesus stated that TRUTH would set the captive free. Until one is willing to face the truth, they will continually use their energy to hide it! Fear is a terrible taskmaster and an enemy of TRUTH.

I am a holiness preacher. I believe that when we are saved that we are saved FROM something. That SOMETHING is sin! We should be able to say, "That is what I WAS and this is what I AM!"

But we should also be willing to proclaim biblical truth and let convictions stand to the bearer. That's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it! LD

Good words. I'm with you. He came to save us from our sins, not in our sins. Holiness is a prominent Bible doctrine and should be declared as stated in His Word. I am not afraid to preach anything in the book, regardless of who likes it or doesn't. It's when I get out of the book and into cultural or religious tradition that I get uncomfortable and defensive.

Truth stands on its own, while tradition must be propped up and bolstered continually.

But let's not add to it!! That's the issue that is problematic to us all. And yes, I am in the UPCI.

[Nana T]

I see you own a computer you can also watch dvds and tv shows on isn't that against what the UPC wants also. You are right it is a heart issue. The one between me and my God not man made traditions. I am thankful for the God I serve. It's not about hair skirts or pants it's about a true genuine relationship with God.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Nana T

I see you own a computer you can also watch dvds and tv shows on isn't that against what the UPC wants also. You are right it is a heart issue. The one between me and my God not man made traditions. I am thankful for the God I serve. It's not about hair skirts or pants it's about a true genuine relationship with God.

you can but i will not.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by Nana T

I see you own a computer you can also watch dvds and tv shows on isn't that against what the UPC wants also. You are right it is a heart issue. The one between me and my God not man made traditions. I am thankful for the God I serve. It's not about hair skirts or pants it's about a true genuine relationship with God.

A true relationship with God is based on his word, all of it, not just the parts we like or dislike.

[On The Wheel]

Originally Posted by Narrow Is The Way

You are absolutely right. This runs parallel with the passing of resolution 4 and many other things. This was once a noble organization that stood for the old paths. The good way. .

I have both heard and used this term, "Old Paths" many times, but what does it mean? It seems to be one of those phrases who's meaning morphs to fit the purposes of the user.

How old is old? 1970? 1945? 1900? 1820? 1517? 325?

How about the New Testament? That might apply. Should we follow the old paths formed by forefathers, or by apostolic fathers?

I want those old paths, those trails blazed by Christ and his apostles. All these extra paths formed later are becoming confusing to those who really want to walk in the "good way".

If we really want to get specific, the old paths in scripture are not referring to the NT at all, but to the OT law. Is that what we want?

[tv1a]

I watched a great movie a few years ago about an elderly german man who traveled to the United States with his accordian to enter an accordian playing contest. It was a great movie. Even though it was in German and I had to read the dialogue in English.

I almost threatened to cap a lady who brought her tamborine to church. I hate that instrument. I would rather hear fingernails on chalkboard than a tamborine.

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

The UPC hasn't been the same since they lost their accordions.

It used to be that you couldn't even be considered a church unless you had a minimum of one accordion for every 25 members.

My pastor used to play a mean tambourine. I haven't heard a good tambourine shaking in years.

There you go folks, the decline of the UPC is the direct result of the loss of accordions and tambourines.

BTW - I've got an acoustic-electric bass for sale if your church would like to get closer to God.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by tv1a

I watched a great movie a few years ago about an elderly german man who traveled to the United States with his accordian to enter an accordian playing contest. It was a great movie. Even though it was in German and I had to read the dialogue in English.

I almost threatened to cap a lady who brought her tamborine to church. I hate that instrument. I would rather hear fingernails on chalkboard than a tamborine.

i love the tamborine and so does God if its played for him.

[tv1a]

Should we start naming UPCI names?
Starting @ headquarters? The previous four pastors at my church, including the founding pastor left under a cloud. One left because because of an affair, another left leaving a paper trail of e-mails to a married woman.

Another left because he decided he loved men more than women. Just my church in 50 years. District, not much better. Names?

Thank God for my pastor who had the patience of Job to straighten out this mess.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sounds like you are sitting on a perch waiting for the last gasp.



Saved as creating something generic and user friendly? Kind of like Eastern Philosophy? Something like Olsteen, who teaches the Hindu Vedas disguised as Christianity?

Isn't it all about no one getting convicted, no one having to change their lives in any drastic way? Hey, you can't tell the sinner from the saint. People look like they were shot out of a canon or dumpster diving for their laundry; All this is done in the name of saving souls?

Yet, the reality is the jack leg preachers who advocate all this, are having visions of dollar signs dance in their heads. They cater to women and effeminate men, who are motivated to empty their bank accounts into the coffers of the royalty (the Charismatic Dalai Lamas) who are untouchable, unapproachable and unquestionable.

The new Charismatic movement is the brainchild of the post modern world around us. It has impregnated American Churchism and filled the preachers and performers of the movement with starry eyes and yearning to party like a rock star.

Save the United Pentecostal? Charisma Magazine fired the first shot over the bow when they reported there were individuals working from the inside to bring reform. Bring reform? Reform to what? To make the One God Pentecostal movement just another apple in the bunch? To make the One God movement blend into the weirdness of the Charismatic movement? A movement which is the laughingstock of the rest of the free thinking world?

Save the UPCI to follow in the foot steps of

Reform from the inside? What's that I hear? Ka-ching! Ka-ching!, More money. . . . more money. . . more money. . . Keep those cards and letters coming!

Baseball players, motocross racers, basket ball players, movie actors, rock singers, and Trinitarian Charismatics are all getting fat wallets, Malibu, Denver, and a penthouse in Manhattan overlooking central park west.

However, the very talented One God Pentecostals who yearn to have the rock star life and still be labeled as Christian, looked at the Charismatic Televangelist, and allowed their mouths to salivate to party like a rock star.

Meanwhile as they run to fellowship with Robin Leech, and Benny Sin, they lead many astray. They promise them liberty and lead them to spiritual destruction.

Save the UPCI? It won't be done by any opportunists.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

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