The UPC is a dying movement!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous... googled it. "More than half..." follow Benny Hinn? In my years here I've only once seen anybody even sort of defend the guy -and then he didn't defend him because he agreed with him.

I have jousted with many who defended Benny Sinner, and the rest of the God chasers in the past on these forums. Lifestyles of the rich and famous, is what the Charismatics head for. That's why they take up 3 to 7 offering during their services.

Originally Posted by pelathais

I think you might have more of a case if you didn't exaggerate everything out of proportion...

No exaggeration, the so called inner holiness without outer holiness is just a simple case of contradictions in motion. We have a large group down here who go to Calvary Chapel. They have beach blanket ministries, maybe while you are visiting you can join them. Flip flops, bikini shorts, large chart Bible studies, and a six pack of kombucha. Inner separation creates outer separation.

Originally Posted by pelathais

Dunno about the Grateful Dead

Were you raised in Colorado City Utah?

Originally Posted by pelathais

- but my righteousness and holiness comes from Jesus Christ Himself - it is gift that was freely imparted to me by my faith in His work.

You see it is interesting that all Christian religious groups all use the same scriptures yet with different results. Jesus loved the way the pharisees looked, but hated how they behaved. For thousands of years clothes were gender specific, and rank sinners understand that much. Yet, it is the Christians who have the biggest problems separating from the society and culture around them. When you come down here a take your little boat ride around our canals, you will get an eyeful of our inhabitants. Down here you can tell a holiness man from the rest of the crew, we are the ones with our clothes on.

Originally Posted by pelathais

If you got your "holiness" and "righteousness" from a dress code, you didn't get it from Jesus and it's not eternal.

If you got your "holiness" without any outer change then you didn't get it from Jesus Christ. I have friends who are Hindus, Buddhist, and Muslims who are sweet, gentle, and giving people, yet they are not Christians, nor to they believe Jesus is God. I also have relatives who are Jews and Atheists are just as nice kind as any inner holiness and righteous believers. One of my friends who is a conservative Rabbi told me this a couple of months ago, after I asked him why he doesn't always wear his kipa. He told me that wearing the kipa means that he is part of a greater community, and he would never want to bring a reproach upon that community. You see when i'm studying with my Rabbi friend he gets upset when he cannot prove certain beliefs of his from just using the Torah. So, by him not wearing his kipa he is not showing that he is a Jew. The inner holiness crowd tend to pull the same behavior, they can walk in and out of their roles with ease. When someone is dressed a specific way they get a different reaction. My Muslim friends were their attire on Friday and visit me when I'm sitting at the café, and have tea with me.
It is interesting to see people react. Outer attire comes from your inner cleansing. Again, Jesus had no problem with how the Rabbis were dressed, he had a problem with the way they behaved.

Originally Posted by pelathais

It's a shame to see other folks being someone else's wood, hay and stubble. Lay ahold of the gold! The holiness that becomes more pure in the fire and doesn't just all go up in smoke.

We have Bible studies with Eastern Greek Orthodox Christians, they are heavily involved in their tradition. A tradition that has nothing to do with attire. Two individuals who we know use to be Charismatic and converted to Orthodox Christianity. My wife (who was raised in Greek Orthodoxy) asked me how could that happen? I told her that people become religious Charismatics, Pentecostals, Baptists, Mormons, Greek Orthodox, Catholic, Rabbinical Jews and Muslims, because being in a religion doesn't require any change. You can dress them up, send them to church and they still kill the people. My father was an Atheist, and a good atheist, he loved his children and showed us that he loved us. He was friend, and it hurt when he died. My father and mother looked at Christians with utter amazement, on how Christians were mostly talk. They used a different term that I cannot use here. You see the Christians wether they are ultra or liberal, fail to meet the expectation of the sinners who watch them, and sadly these sinners had bad experineces in business dealings with them. Being a Christian means more than just the glazed over Stepford wife look. It should show from the inside out.

Originally Posted by pelathais

So, because you a have disagreement over tongues with your neighbors I am to be persuaded that your opinion about dress code standards versus genuine imparted righteousness is correct?

No, if you would of read and considered what I posted, I was pointing out that your mistaken idea that standards are extra-Biblical stuff, is the same as Presbyterian Seminary students saying talking in tongues is extra-Biblical stuff. I also brought up Xmas, because a great majority of the inner holiness crew who rail against standards being extra-Biblical stuff, also claim Xmas, as being a Christian sacrament. How can anyone say standards are extra-Biblical stuff with a straight face, when they themselves are wearing a wedding band, and put up a pine tree decked with jewelry. How about a little consistency?

Originally Posted by pelathais

Yeah, it'll have to be after or around Xmas!

Why don't you come down during Xmas, the Homosexuals and Lesbians have a big celebration, and boat show, the can tow your little boat behind one of their pontoon boat.

Originally Posted by pelathais

I'd love to rent a small boat and just wander around those canals for a few days. It looks incredible on the maps.

Looking forward to you coming by, but I will forgo taking in the sites, one needs to protect their peepers.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

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[Sandra]

This thread is doing what I wanted it to do... ROCK ON!

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I got my mind on my money, my money on my mind

As I walk through the valley in the shadow of Jakes
I take a look at my t.v. set
And realize there is more money to make.
'Cause I've been dreaming and golfing so long
That even my congregation is sad my mercedes color is wrong.
But I would never fly first class if I didn't deserve it.
Me be treated like a Holiness Preacher, you know that's unheard of.
You betta watch how ya preaching
And why ya teaching
Or you and your homies might be flying in coach.
I really hate to take up my own offering, but I must you know,
Keep those cards and letters coming, and keep me in the flow.
Saints, I'm the kinda Charismatic that little homie's wanna be like,
On my knees in the night
Saying prayers in the street light.


We've been spending most our lives
Living in a Trintarian Wanna-Be paradise.
We've been spending most our lives
Living in a Trintarian Wanna-Be paradise.
We keep spending most our lives
Living in a Trintarian Wanna-Be paradise.
We keep spending most our lives
Living in a Trintarian Wanna-Be paradise.

Look at the damnation, I got me facing,
I don't want a normal life, I was raised by the television Jimmies.
So I gotta be down with the 'Paula White team,
Too much television watching, got me chasing dreams.
I'm an educated seminarian with money on my mind
Got a saint's pledge in my hand and a gleam in my eye.
I'm a musically talented, television set worshiping sledge
And my homies are down so don't fail to pay your pledge,
fool! fortune and fame ain't nothing but a heart beat away,
I'm living a glamorus life do or die, what can I say?
I'm making three hundred twenty-three thousand now, will I ever see a eight hundred twenty-four thousand dollar more, T. D. Jakes, said yes, and showed me so.

Tell me why do we
Fail to see.
That the ones we love
are me, myself, and me.

We've been spending most our lives
Living in a Trintarian Wanna-Be paradise.
We've been spending most our lives
Living in a Trintarian Wanna-Be paradise.
We keep spending most our lives
Living in a Trintarian Wanna-Be paradise.
We keep spending most our lives
Living in a Trintarian Wanna-Be paradise.

Charismatics seeks the money, money leads to power,
Minute after minute, hour after hour,
Everybody's running the pews, but half of them ain't looking
What's going on in the kitchen
But you don't know what I'm cooking.
Apostolic Pentecostals warn me you're gonna learn
But I know nobody's here to teach you.
If you can't understand it, how can the Apostolics reach you?
I guess they can't,
I guess they won't,
I guess I front,
That's why I know your salvation is running out, fool!

We've been spending most our lives
Living in a Trintarian Wanna-Be paradise.
We've been spending most our lives
Living in a Trintarian Wanna-Be paradise.
We keep spending most our lives
Living in a Trintarian Wanna-Be paradise.
We keep spending most our lives
Living in a Trintarian Wanna-Be paradise.

Tell me why do we
Fail to see.
That the ones we love
are me, myself, and me.

can this be found on youtube?

[Sherri]

Hey, EB, they took at 45 minute offering at TN Campmeeting one night this year. What does that mean? Are they going Charismatic?

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Hey, EB, they took at 45 minute offering at TN Campmeeting one night this year. What does that mean? Are they going Charismatic?

Sherri,

Is this a trick question? What do you mean going?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sandra

This thread is doing what I wanted it to do... ROCK ON!

Yes! The UPCI ROCKS!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

can this be found on youtube?

Beats me, it may be on TBN.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Hey, EB, they took at 45 minute offering at TN Campmeeting one night this year. What does that mean? Are they going Charismatic?

Hey, they don't have the dough the Charismatics have, they were most likely digging for change, dollar bills, and that takes time to collect all of that.

Anyway...






























THE UPCI ROCKS

[Sandra]

wonderful thread.. wonder who started it? LOL..THIS THREAD SURE HASN'T DIED ...LOL

[Jaxon]

You know whats amazing about this................all of you who think the UPCI is dying/irrelevent or whatever cannot seem to get enough about this type of stuff........;;Personally if I think something is dying/irrelevant I don't want to spend time looking at it from every angle, upside down and sideways.......If it's really as moot as you claim it to be then why can't you leave it alone and forget about it.........You folks are amazing...you really are.....If it's behind the times why can't you FORGET ABOUT IT AND GET ON WITH SOMETHING YOU DO BELIEVE IS RELEVEANT AND ALIVE......