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View Poll Results: Does your pastor actively preach and teach this?
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Yes, he does not have one and expects me not to have a tv & not watch Hollywood movies.
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No, he has one and doesn't actively preach and teach this requirement
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No, he doesn't have one but never tells us not to have one and not watch Hollywood movies.
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Yes, but he has one, watches Hollywood movies but acts like he doesn't.
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07-21-2009, 11:11 AM
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Re: Poll for UPCI member/preachers only
are you gonna answer justin's question?
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07-21-2009, 11:14 AM
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Re: Poll for UPCI member/preachers only
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Originally Posted by Barb
This is ALL such a distraction!!
Who cares if someone is not living up to a document signed?!
Is it my concern?!
Does it directly effect me and mine?!
Will the decisions of others prevent me from being all God wants and expects ME to be?!
And who is to say who is lying?!
Were not cover letters promoted and encouraged, or is that another so-called urban legend?!
I am convinced more and more as the day approaches that the things we have spent our time debating and grieving over, God is going to say, "What was the point?!"
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Barb, do you subscribe to SITUATIONAL ETHICS in other aspects of your walk?
Jesus was pretty clear when he said "But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil."
If we don't have and keep our word, what do we have? 
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07-21-2009, 11:17 AM
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Cross-examine it!
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Re: Poll for UPCI member/preachers only
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Originally Posted by Barb
This is ALL such a distraction!!
Who cares if someone is not living up to a document signed?!
Is it my concern?!
Does it directly effect me and mine?!
Will the decisions of others prevent me from being all God wants and expects ME to be?!
And who is to say who is lying?!
Were not cover letters promoted and encouraged, or is that another so-called urban legend?!
I am convinced more and more as the day approaches that the things we have spent our time debating and grieving over, God is going to say, "What was the point?!"
I will now return to hibernation... |
This issue should concern you. I would not name names but I know of several UPCI pastors that have a TV and most of their congregation has no idea. It is about two things first, integrity and secondly if no one intends to follow it then what is preventing them from eliminating it?
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07-21-2009, 11:22 AM
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Re: Poll for UPCI member/preachers only
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Kim, what's the point in this poll? It's obvious you're looking to pinpoint hypocritical preachers. What do you plan to accomplish with this? Do you intend on taking this information to HQ and exposing these "heretics"? Isn't there more important things to do for Christ?
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Originally Posted by ReddMann24
are you gonna answer justin's question?
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Sure.
Actually, ReddMann, he asked four questions. One, he tried to answer for me.
Justin:
The point and plan is to record data for internal use only.
The intent is not to tattle-tale on anonymous poll answers available to the public at large.
And, yes, there a lot more important things we could be doing rather than playing in this forum sandbox.
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07-21-2009, 11:29 AM
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Re: Poll for UPCI member/preachers only
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Originally Posted by Kim Komando
Barb, do you subscribe to SITUATIONAL ETHICS in other aspects of your walk?
Jesus was pretty clear when he said "But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil."
If we don't have and keep our word, what do we have? |
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
This issue should concern you. I would not name names but I know of several UPCI pastors that have a TV and most of their congregation has no idea. It is about two things first, integrity and secondly if no one intends to follow it then what is preventing them from eliminating it?
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Of course I believe in the importance of keeping our word, for all liars will have their part in the lake of fire.
But my question is still the same...what concern is it of mine who does not keep his or her word in any area?!
I am NOT the police of anyone's words or deeds, and have stated twice recently that taking care of ME and keeping MY words and deeds in line with the Scriptures is a full-time job.
It leaves me no time at all to analyze someone's motives, or check sleeve lengths, or wonder whose hair might be trimmed, or who is not staying true to their signed word.
If elders or anyone else are lying or wheeling and dealing or whatever, there is a God who will have to deal. It is NOT my place to do so.
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07-21-2009, 11:51 AM
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Re: Poll for UPCI member/preachers only
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Originally Posted by Barb
Of course I believe in the importance of keeping our word, for all liars will have their part in the lake of fire.
But my question is still the same...what concern is it of mine who does not keep his or her word in any area?!
I am NOT the police of anyone's words or deeds, and have stated twice recently that taking care of ME and keeping MY words and deeds in line with the Scriptures is a full-time job.
It leaves me no time at all to analyze someone's motives, or check sleeve lengths, or wonder whose hair might be trimmed, or who is not staying true to their signed word.
If elders or anyone else are lying or wheeling and dealing or whatever, there is a God who will have to deal. It is NOT my place to do so.
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Are you willing to sit under a pastor who doesn't keep his word?
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07-21-2009, 12:01 PM
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Re: Poll for UPCI member/preachers only
What was the point ? Is the one I was wondering about. I know we all have better things to do that was kinda a dumb question.
BTW I have no problem with the poll. I was just courious why you were so concearned with the issue.
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07-21-2009, 12:25 PM
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Re: Poll for UPCI member/preachers only
As with most things there are gray areas here too. Whether some admit that is another thing entirely. Can a family member have a TV in the home?
Can "TV" be watched on internet?
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07-21-2009, 12:25 PM
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Re: Poll for UPCI member/preachers only
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Originally Posted by Kim Komando
I guess the pat answer would be who wears the pants in the house.
However, the question would be if this pastor whose wife owns a TV is his home is being insubordinate to his teaching and preaching.
The last paragraph of the modern day Holiness article is clear. It reads:
The last paragraph of the Holiness Article, added several years after the merger, reads:
A minister affirms every two years that he believes, embraces, practices preaches, and teaches all of this. It is safe to say that he would be or would have actively preached and taught this in this two year interval.
Whether the saints comply is a whole other issue.
I always find allusions to Hollywood movies from preachers in their messages to be interesting also.
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is this really, actually what the affirmation statement says?
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07-21-2009, 12:31 PM
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Re: Poll for UPCI member/preachers only
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Originally Posted by Kim Komando
It goes a step beyond that Alex, he is to actively teach and preach against his saints having one and the position statement of videos compel him to stand against his saints watching Hollywood movies for entertainment.
So it begs to be asked whether Stephen's pastor teaches and preaches against his saints having a television or watching Hollywood movies.
However, methinks Stephen's appearance on a reality TV program answers this question already. I don't think Steve would disobey his pastor.
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Can you or someone else quote the position here for us to read?
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