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Old 07-22-2009, 08:24 AM
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Re: The Failing Examples of Pastoral Leadership

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This post is directed toward my conservative, moderate, and liberal brethren. Please read carefully and answer accordingly.


After reading a dialog between Praxeas and Growingpains, I've decided to add my input. I've encountered various situations where congregants were in desperate financial need, and were over-looked by their pastor. Folks, I'm not talking about brethren whom constantly seek financial assistance from the church, but I'm talking about folks whom have never sought financial assistance. I'm personally acquainted with a sister that was facing eviction from her apartment, and was denied financial assistance from her pastor. It surprises me that these very pastors will jump to a round of golf, hunting, and\or other recreational activities without hesitation, sadly while their congregants are financially needy.


I've encountered various excuses why some pastors are non-employed, and the most popular response being "what if a saint needs me while I'm at work?" Readers, please understand what I'm about to state. For this reason precisely saints are more dependent on their pastor than God. Don't misunderstand me, I believe every man/women needs a pastor, but the problem lies when the congregant dials their pastor's number before petitioning an omnipotent immutable God! Many saints have failed reaching new spiritual dimensions, all due to their pastor's pastoral-ship.


Undoubtedly, certain pastors enjoy pastoring congregants who possess a pastoral dependency mentality. Many pastors draw their security from these types of congregants, and in doing so, these pastors build themselves a cankered pedestal and transform themselves into dictators. Also, congregants with this mentality are rendered more susceptible to pastoral manipulation (e.g. do what I say and not what I do leadership). In regards to pastors and employment, Paul clearly expressed his opinion on the matter:


Acts 20:
33) I have never coveted anyone’s silver or gold or fine clothes.
34) You know that these hands of mine have worked to supply my own needs and even the needs of those who were with me.
35) And I have been a constant example..........


2 Thessalonians 3:
7) For you know that you ought to imitate us......
8) We never accepted food from anyone without paying for it. We worked hard day and night so we would not be a burden to any of you.
9) We certainly had the right to ask you to feed us, but we wanted to give you an example to follow.
10) Even while we were with you, we gave you this command: “Those unwilling to work will not get to eat.”


Whether our role is an apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor and/or teacher, I find those callings a privilege rather than an occupation. Paul's calling was an apostle while his occupation was a tent builder. I understand evangelist travel from church to church, city to city preaching the gospel. However, Phillip (Acts 21:8) traveled city to city preaching the gospel as an itinerant preacher, preaching the gospel to non-evangelized or non-church existing locations. So why does the role of a current evangelist consist of traveling from church to church? Why does the role from an ACTS evangelist differ from our modern day evangelist role?
Baloney!!!

I know of very few pastors that would do that! On the contrary, I have seen the opposite so my positive seeing cancels out your negative seeing and we are back to a nuetral!

I personally know that our Pastor has carried one family here, splitting his own paycheck, for over 8 months through this current recession. He has a rental house and they have stayed for free throughout this time.

He has taken food, countless times, so that they can eat. The man is working, yet he just can't find steady work!

I know of another situation where he helped a man out that was behind on his house payments. The problem was not that the man did not have the money, but that he was not being a wise steward of his money. The first time, Pastor helped him out. The scond time, Pastor let him sink knowing that was the only way the man might learn a lesson. The man did not want to learn what God was trying to show him, ie good stewardship.

Brother, you don't know the whole situation and, in defense of the ministry, I would have to say you are wrong until you can prove otherwise!

TJJJ

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