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Re: National Youth Congress Nashville Aug 5-7
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Such a well thought out post! 
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08-07-2009, 09:29 PM
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Re: National Youth Congress Nashville Aug 5-7
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I appreciate you, Rev. Randy. But don't push the buttons that open up old wounds. Fact of the matter is, just "to show you" a thing or two would invite the most noxious of flame wars and you yourself would feel that familiar hurt on the inside.
People who "left" the UPC often did so because the UPC failed to live up to its own standards. But, my own children are in that auditorium - in fact right now - and it's in my own best interest that they have the time of their lives while there.
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Pelathais,
I'm not looking for a battle but don't you think that negativity has been going on just a little to long?
I realize people say things, do things, sometimes in the name of "righteousness" and can lead people astray, bring hurt, bring shame, among other things but that's life....
So many of us were raised concentrating on the "Man" we never formed a real relationship with God... sad to say being or led feel we were "forced" out or run out or dragged out or called out... Hurt happens... it is at times our test as it were from the Lord....
How we react to it, deal with it or just run from it is up to us...
You could hurt me it seems because of reasons I don't really know about I guess or start a Flame war???? not sure what that means....but the truth is it is where we are at right now that counts....
God seems to forgive us our past??? Why can't we forgive each other and walk on???
I've certainly done things I'm not proud of....or have been ashamed of....or made mistakes...but guess what??
God still is able to restore, redeem and love.....maybe we could take some lessons...
The problem is we never allow the wounds to heal because they become our security....
I hope you find your healing....
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08-08-2009, 07:10 AM
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Re: National Youth Congress Nashville Aug 5-7
RevRandy,
Great post.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-08-2009, 09:02 AM
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Re: National Youth Congress Nashville Aug 5-7
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I mean...since you decided this forum is ex and axes...you must be one of them...which are you?
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Good question, Prax.
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08-08-2009, 09:03 AM
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Re: National Youth Congress Nashville Aug 5-7
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Pelathais,
I'm not looking for a battle but don't you think that negativity has been going on just a little to long?
I realize people say things, do things, sometimes in the name of "righteousness" and can lead people astray, bring hurt, bring shame, among other things but that's life....
So many of us were raised concentrating on the "Man" we never formed a real relationship with God... sad to say being or led feel we were "forced" out or run out or dragged out or called out... Hurt happens... it is at times our test as it were from the Lord....
How we react to it, deal with it or just run from it is up to us...
You could hurt me it seems because of reasons I don't really know about I guess or start a Flame war???? not sure what that means....but the truth is it is where we are at right now that counts....
God seems to forgive us our past??? Why can't we forgive each other and walk on???
I've certainly done things I'm not proud of....or have been ashamed of....or made mistakes...but guess what??
God still is able to restore, redeem and love.....maybe we could take some lessons...
The problem is we never allow the wounds to heal because they become our security....
I hope you find your healing....
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Great post!
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08-08-2009, 07:30 PM
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Re: National Youth Congress Nashville Aug 5-7
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Pelathais,
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I hope you find your healing....
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Thanks Randall. But while I am "old news" - DG is "newer news" - and for many others the news keeps getting made. How do we put an end to it, or at least mitigate the numbers?
For me, the thing that exacerbated the problem was the "Code of Silence" that we are all told to observe. I did my part and kept silent, but that only made things worse. Moreover, it complicated things for some of those in leadership positions.
That's why I am opposed to the silence. While you may understandably grow weary of me, there are others who are new and who have the same questions that I had years ago.
What I posted before was out of concern for a little piling on that it seemed that DG was enduring. As I mentioned in our PM, I know a little about the travail he mentions and the complexities that it has caused to good people still within the UPC. It is with those good UPC people that my sympathies lie.
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08-08-2009, 08:09 PM
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Re: National Youth Congress Nashville Aug 5-7
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RevRandy,
Great post.
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08-08-2009, 08:33 PM
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Re: National Youth Congress Nashville Aug 5-7
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upc. by birth and by heart , always i hope , unless things really go downhill, in regards to standards that i was taught. GO CELTICS ! no injuries this year !
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Hey Oletime...
I'm not trying to pick a fight, just looking for an honest answer because it bothers me.
The UPC manual forbids organized sports. How well I know that, being forbidden to play anything although in high school I was better at basketball than anything in my life. I was far better than anyone in the conference and had to endure daily questions about why I couldn't play. I once had the varsity coach call me in as a sophomore, lay a uniform on his desk (#32), and say, "show up tonight and you're in the starting lineup."
Ok so maybe I'm a little bitter about it, but explain to me why people like me are forbidden to express themselves athletically, but it's ok to say, "Go Celtics" and follow pro sports passionately? I will never understand that. Can you help me? (And Bird was the greatest!)
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08-08-2009, 08:50 PM
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Re: National Youth Congress Nashville Aug 5-7
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I was at the NAYC last night (Thursday). I must say that I'm really impressed with the way the the coliseum was set up , the way the services were organized, and the positive vibe in the place. The UPCI is alive and well!!!!! |
Mow and CC1 will be wanting a private meeting with you. You can't go around sayin this stuff!
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08-08-2009, 08:52 PM
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Re: National Youth Congress Nashville Aug 5-7
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Originally Posted by Irreligious
Hey Oletime...
I'm not trying to pick a fight, just looking for an honest answer because it bothers me.
The UPC manual forbids organized sports. How well I know that, being forbidden to play anything although in high school I was better at basketball than anything in my life. I was far better than anyone in the conference and had to endure daily questions about why I couldn't play. I once had the varsity coach call me in as a sophomore, lay a uniform on his desk (#32), and say, "show up tonight and you're in the starting lineup."
Ok so maybe I'm a little bitter about it, but explain to me why people like me are forbidden to express themselves athletically, but it's ok to say, "Go Celtics" and follow pro sports passionately? I will never understand that. Can you help me? (And Bird was the greatest!)
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Irr, you really should have done it!
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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