Re: Is it true that FM donations are diverted to P
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Originally Posted by commonsense
I am acquainted with a former UPC missionary that said he didn't receive all of the money he raised through deputation. This was in the 80's.
He is no longer part of the UPC.
They received a very small percent of what they took up. That's why they had to stay in the states so long raising money. Then about 10 years ago, I had a pastor in Kenya tell me, the the oversers (or missionarys) would come and collect the offerings that they took up and send that back the the states. In other words, missions is a investment program.
The heresy hunters are still with us. Only now, instead of stakes, they use their books and radio programs to destroy those they consider heretics.... I'm concerned that heresy hunting may be turning into leukemia because some cultwatchers seem more intent on destroying parts of the body than healing the body....
Re: Is it true that FM donations are diverted to P
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Originally Posted by Revelationist
They received a very small percent of what they took up. That's why they had to stay in the states so long raising money. Then about 10 years ago, I had a pastor in Kenya tell me, the the oversers (or missionarys) would come and collect the offerings that they took up and send that back the the states. In other words, missions is a investment program.
Listen to yourself there, Rev. Moon. What kind of an "investment" would such an enterprise be? They'd make a higher return just putting the money into a savings account earning a simple interest rate of 3.5%. Why go through the hassles of shaking down impoverished Kenyans as an "investment?"
Sounds like someone may have been shaking you down.
Re: Is it true that FM donations are diverted to P
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Originally Posted by commonsense
I am acquainted with a former UPC missionary that said he didn't receive all of the money he raised through deputation. This was in the 80's.
He is no longer part of the UPC.
I am acquainted with several missionaries from the 70's, 80's, 90's and the 21st century who "didn't receive all of the money [they] raised through deputation." All of them are still UPC, for whatever reason.
A part of the money "they don't receive" goes into a general administrative fund that is used to promote and finance works throughout their regions and globally. Most of the money "they don't receive" is used to pay their taxes (they pay 13% Social Security tax - double what most folks pay - on their personal income), fund their health care premiums which includes a rider for medical evacuation to the states and the return of their corpses if it gets that bad, and their retirement funds.
Re: Is it true that FM donations are diverted to P
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Originally Posted by Revelationist
They received a very small percent of what they took up. That's why they had to stay in the states so long raising money. Then about 10 years ago, I had a pastor in Kenya tell me, the the oversers (or missionarys) would come and collect the offerings that they took up and send that back the the states. In other words, missions is a investment program.
Sounds like someone is on a UPC witch hunt and is looking for any excuse to try to harm the UPC.
I know several missionaries and have never heard these complaints.
The heresy hunters are still with us. Only now, instead of stakes, they use their books and radio programs to destroy those they consider heretics.... I'm concerned that heresy hunting may be turning into leukemia because some cultwatchers seem more intent on destroying parts of the body than healing the body....
Re: Is it true that FM donations are diverted to P
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Originally Posted by WyoPastor
Sounds like someone is on a UPC witch hunt and is looking for any excuse to try to harm the UPC.
I know several missionaries and have never heard these complaints.
Sounds like sour grapes to me.
WYO,I agree. I happen to know quite a few missionaries and leaders pretty well. I can tell you first hand that FM money is put to great use and I feel more comfortable sowing into it than a great number of things.
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Re: Is it true that FM donations are diverted to P
Revelationist. Are you for real? I bet you can't release the names can You? Too bad. We would all love to hear the tragic news. I think you ought to go into missions work. The you can show us how to get the job done. Are you looking for a reason not to give to missions. The 10% administrative fee Kinda sounds like a tithing thing. You know the idea in the Bible about giving not just receiving.
We have three or four missionaries come to our church every year. they all enthusiastically suppport the workings of headquarters. If they can - I guess you should.
We will be waiting on the names of your close friends from Kenya. AFF members might want to take a collection to help repay all that the organization stole from them. We will be waiting - and waiting - and waiting - and waiting. We're still waiting. It's a confidential secret isn't it. Waiting on you....
Re: Is it true that FM donations are diverted to P
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Originally Posted by hgpower
Revelationist. Are you for real? I bet you can't release the names can You? Too bad. We would all love to hear the tragic news. I think you ought to go into missions work. The you can show us how to get the job done. Are you looking for a reason not to give to missions. The 10% administrative fee Kinda sounds like a tithing thing. You know the idea in the Bible about giving not just receiving.
We have three or four missionaries come to our church every year. they all enthusiastically suppport the workings of headquarters. If they can - I guess you should.
We will be waiting on the names of your close friends from Kenya. AFF members might want to take a collection to help repay all that the organization stole from them. We will be waiting - and waiting - and waiting - and waiting. We're still waiting. It's a confidential secret isn't it. Waiting on you....
If I give you the name, what are you going to do? Call him up in Kenya and chew him out?
The heresy hunters are still with us. Only now, instead of stakes, they use their books and radio programs to destroy those they consider heretics.... I'm concerned that heresy hunting may be turning into leukemia because some cultwatchers seem more intent on destroying parts of the body than healing the body....
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