Dear Admin and Owner

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

*Ahem*

Getting rid of dissenters and questioners results in the death of a forum just as much as the opposing tact. I don't know how the FCF did it, but "back in the day", there was just as much questioning and debate--there was just a different dynamic. I don't know how it was accomplished, because I wasn't on the admin team, but someone was doing their job right. I'm not saying the admin team NOW is doing a bad job, but something IS missing, there's no doubt about it.

You really need all corners covered; you need the doubters, the believers, the conservatives, the liberals, the pompous, the mice, the dumb ones, the smarties, the shallow, and the deep.

Debates on the FCF were not always respectful, and they were RARELY politically correct. Remember the Blue Denim Whales thread? Talk about getting hot under the collar--that one got on my last nerve! But did it get shut down? No. Were people allowed to say what they really thought? Yes!!!

Maybe Thad's Tab should be brought back. Maybe less censoring of things that interest Apostolics is in order, and save the censorship for the really bad stuff, like people who just want to push the gay agenda, or mock Christians for their convictions. It all depends on your end goal: Do you want an Apostolic forum or not?

Maybe some previously banned members should be invited back....

Maybe....

I have work to do! This is very distracting. Thanks a LOT EA.

The difference was every tribe and family of the Apostolic movement was present we fought like cats and dogs about nearly every issue however everyone on there claimed to be Apostolic. At time others were allowed for a season like the Branhamites but was heavily monitored. This again is not meant to insult the Admns or owners. Just the facts of the case. This seems more like an anti than a Apostolic forum of any shade.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Read the rules:

AFF FORUM RULES

Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:

Those that believe that every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith
with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.

MOst of those posting believe NONE of the above. A good PCI guy looks like an ultra-con here.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The difference was every tribe and family of the Apostolic movement was present we fought like cats and dogs about nearly every issue however everyone on there claimed to be Apostolic. At time others were allowed for a season like the Branhamites but was heavily monitored. This again is not meant to insult the Admns or owners. Just the facts of the case. This seems more like an anti than a Apostolic forum of any shade.

Or perhaps Apostolic has been defined so finely that few meet the criteria.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Read the rules:

AFF FORUM RULES

Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:

Those that believe that every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith
with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

MOst of those posting believe NONE of the above. A good PCI guy looks like an ultra-con here.

I consider myself left of center on this forum and I believe at least 4 out of 5. You folks on the right just get jumpy if someone questions something.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Or perhaps Apostolic has been defined so finely that few meet the criteria.

It is very broad as defined here,

[SeekingOne]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Read the rules:

AFF FORUM RULES

Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:

Those that believe that every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith
with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.

I can see that many on this forum do not meet the criteria. I am not sure how admin can determine who believes what without spending the rest of their days reading all the forum posts to clean it up.

I believe all of the above, but I enjoy the forum the way it is. I think the discussions are thought provoking and beneficial for the most part. Any thread that does not interest me, I skip. I suggest those that don't like some of the threads to the same.

How about those that want a forum where everyone agrees with them, start a new forum and invite those they agree with?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Tina

We have extended grace and mercy a number of times to banned members. There is no reason to believe that it wouldn't be extended again in some cases.

Tina, you banned me for next to nothing last month.

I agree with most of the suggestions EA made, pesonally all of them would be fine with me. I'm not sold on the renaming of AFF, but whatever. We definitely need to swing back to the more conservative thought (though still have the freedom of question and debate). But if this is an APOSTOLIC forum, is it asking to much for members to be APOSTOLIC?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Read the rules:

AFF FORUM RULES

Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:

Those that believe that every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith
with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.

Fine with me, I'm all for the purge of those who don't accept this. I notice KWSS is banned, is that related?

[Tina]

Originally Posted by Jason

Tina, you banned me for next to nothing last month.

I agree with most of the suggestions EA made, pesonally all of them would be fine with me. I'm not sold on the renaming of AFF, but whatever. We definitely need to swing back to the more conservative thought (though still have the freedom of question and debate). But if this is an APOSTOLIC forum, is it asking to much for members to be APOSTOLIC?

Bro Jason, for the record, it wasn't MY decision. It was a TEAM decision. We don't publicly discuss the reasons for someone being banned-- but if you choose to drag it out-- there are several admins who were involved in the discussion and decision involving your ban should you choose to have us post it. You might want to just let that remain between you and admin.

[Tina]

Originally Posted by Jason

Fine with me, I'm all for the purge of those who don't accept this. I notice KWSS is banned, is that related?

See post above. There is no public discussion regarding a member's ban.