Oneness and Trinitarian Unity? - Page 14

Steve Epley · #**131** 04-18-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

I have a lot of books on these religions and need to take more time to read them because here in Surrey we have so many different religions. We actually have a Peoples Hindi English Service every Sunday night at 6:00PM. I am learning more and more from the leader of this fellowship group.

I commend you for your patience the different religions around here are Baptists-Campbellites-AGs and such like.

OGIA · #**132** 04-18-2007, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

I do not believe any of us can define God completely, because as scripture says "...we see thru a glass darkly..." So I don't believe it is reasonable to treat those who have believed on the Name of Jesus as unbelievers. We can have different views and still fellowship and love one another and as opportunity avails discuss the scriptures, and believe that "...He the Spirit of truth will lead and guide us all into all truth." And I am perfectly content to love them, fellowship with them, and let God open doors as He sees fit.

It does not damage my faith to fellowship with those who call on the Name of the Lord, and whose heart is very obviously turned toward Him.

I PERSONALLY HATE THE OLD RELIGIOUS COLD SHOULDER. I have a great number of good friends that we can discuss openly our different views and guess what the Lord has allowed me to teach them some things and vice versa.

crakjak, the above has nothing to do with our conversation. Far too many times people bring this kind of stuff into a discussion to try to divert the true topic. My belief has nothing to do with whether those I refer to are "unbelievers", about "seeing through a glass darkly", fellowshipping with those of different beliefs, or damaging my faith. This is about truth and the fact that a true trinitarian DOES NOT worship God in the fullness of His revelation -- as the Lord Jesus Christ. Please don't confuse the other stuff with this truth. I can and DO fellowship with those who hold to the trinitarian doctrine. But, that does not change the fact that they don't KNOW God as I (we) do.

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so though they define God in a different manner does not make Him another God. You both know Him from the same scriptures.

I think it was you who I asked "Who defines God?" I'm not sure I got an answer, so can you tell me what you think about that? Thanks.

Scott Hutchinson · #**133** 04-18-2007, 08:27 AM

I have Trinitarian friends ,I don't go around calling them three God devils and such, but I can't accept their doctrinal stand because I don't see their view as Biblical and I can't accept the eternal sonship doctrine ,but I can disagree without being disagreeable .

Truly Blessed · #**134** 04-18-2007, 10:06 AM

There is a lot of tradition attached to much of what many Christians believe. I find this to be one of the greatest strongholds to be overcome in getting anyone to consider anything other than what they already believe. This is not new. Jesus and the Apostles had the same challenges as they sought to open people's minds to truth.

Jack Shephard · #**135** 04-18-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by OGIA

JT, this is getting old.

Jesus Christ IS the truth. He is also the Word. Does that mean when I hold the Word of God in my hand that I'm holding HIM in my hand? Everytime I read the word "word" in the Bible is it referring to Jesus Christ? No, it doesn't. Apply that to the word "truth".

God died that this truth might be known, preached and accepted. Yes, the Man who IS the truth did die, but He also died FOR the truth.

If you can't follow that..........well, even if you can.....I'm going to bow out of this. It's quite silly. Nothing personal.

That is ok, good debate. Catch ya later

OGIA · #**136** 04-18-2007, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

There is a lot of tradition attached to much of what many Christians believe. I find this to be one of the greatest strongholds to be overcome in getting anyone to consider anything other than what they already believe. This is not new. Jesus and the Apostles had the same challenges as they sought to open people's minds to truth.

Very true, TB, very true. And that is one of the areas I first start to try to bring to light and undermine when talking to someone new. If you can get them to see that most traditions are not biblical and how they dominate many doctrines, then they many times will begin to wonder just what else "Granny and Momma taught me" that may or may not be true.

#**137** 04-18-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Brother Price

No. What is trash is the notion that my Jesus is part of a pagan trinity. The notion that Jesus is not the Father is truly trash, and damnable trash at that. Bro. Epley spoke the truth, and you had better heed.

So, I guess Jesus was talking trash when He said "The Father is greater than I" and when He told His disciples He was going "to My God and to your God"?

OGIA · #**138** 04-18-2007, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chan

So, I guess Jesus was talking trash when He said "The Father is greater than I" and when He told His disciples He was going "to My God and to your God"?

What ought to concern one more than WHO the Lord was talking to is 1) that there was someone greater than Him (God) and 2) that Jesus (God) was referring to ANOTHER as God, for God does not need or have a god.

But, that point is often overlooked or minimized.

#**139** 04-18-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OGIA

What ought to concern one more than WHO the Lord was talking to is 1) that there was someone greater than Him (God) and 2) that Jesus (God) was referring to ANOTHER as God, for God does not need or have a god.

But, that point is often overlooked or minimized.

I think that the passages I quoted show that the One who said those words was neither the Father nor God. Now, in order for these passages not to conflict with other passages of scripture, we have to do exactly what many oneness and trinitarian folks don't do: separate Jesus' humanity from His divinity and distinguish God from the Son of God.

OGIA · #**140** 04-18-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chan

I think that the passages I quoted show that the One who said those words was neither the Father nor God. Now, in order for these passages not to conflict with other passages of scripture, we have to do exactly what many oneness and trinitarian folks don't do: separate Jesus' humanity from His divinity and distinguish God from the Son of God.

So, this man was sometimes God and then sometimes a man? Is that what you're saying?