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09-12-2009, 08:50 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
In my original paragraph, I stated...
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... Thankfully, in this instance, there are “gatekeepers” (administrators) who maintain a form of decorum and demand truth in what people say. When someone comes on looking to start a fight or promote gossip, they are quickly warned and then locked out. Isaiah 1:18a says, “Come now, let us reason together,’ says the LORD” (NIV). These people are looking to think through many major issues in their life and with their relationship with God, it is a healthy way to reason for people who otherwise would not be able to seek this information." |
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Is this statement true and how do you know?
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Another good question.
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How is this a fact?
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LOL! Well... it assumes they are not still anonymous lurkers does it not? They have shared their stories with us here otherwise one can claim 100% of the lurkers are Satan worshipers.
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I am thankful that we are held accountable by admin on here, otherwise the "regents" doctorate-holding, preaching, members who are dying would take over the forum 
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09-12-2009, 08:58 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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It means the Gospel is still secondary to giving young people a platform to minister to their own. It means legalism still plays a major roll in UPC thought and action. It may be a small thing, but it is a symptom of bigger problems and is why they continue to bleed their youth.
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See I don't equate the two. Requiring biz attire on platform simply does not mean a church (much less an entire organization) is legalistic.
This is a battle that pretty much all denoms are fighting. There are plenty of "non-standard" traditionalist churches who resist contemporary worship and attire. This is not a UPC or even Pentecostal debate.
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09-12-2009, 09:03 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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LOL!
I tend to agree with what Proverbs has stated. Also, she's only acknowledging UPC because it's her background - - it was her paper and she wrote it from HER view.
I didn't take what she wrote to be against UPC at all which it seems some are. She just stated "in her experience" which is what we all do.
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I agree, her view of AFF is what she stated. Others views may not be the same as hers.
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09-12-2009, 09:06 PM
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Cross-examine it!
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
See I don't equate the two. Requiring biz attire on platform simply does not mean a church (much less an entire organization) is legalistic.
This is a battle that pretty much all denoms are fighting. There are plenty of "non-standard" traditionalist churches who resist contemporary worship and attire. This is not a UPC or even Pentecostal debate.
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Two years ago they relaxed the standards, and now this response. It is a huge factor in why people are leaving the UPC. Ask yourself why the children of almost every teacher at CLC, when I was there, are still in ministry but NOT in the UPC. I won't name names but it is a fact.
It is a real problem the UPC has shackled itself to ideas that are strangling it. The dress code for the most recent youth congress is evidence of it.
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09-12-2009, 09:09 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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Originally Posted by Pro31:28
In my original paragraph, I stated...
And here it is-
I am thankful that we are held accountable by admin on here, otherwise the "regents" doctorate-holding, preaching, members who are dying would take over the forum |
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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09-12-2009, 09:24 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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I recently wrote a paper for a Rhetorical Communication course, and the paper was on digital communication. One of the topics was on "online personas". I included a paragraph about AFF in the paper and gave a brief description of the forum.
So here is my question- if you were describing AFF to someone how would you describe it?
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09-12-2009, 11:15 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
Originally Posted by Pro31:28 I recently wrote a paper for a Rhetorical Communication course, and the paper was on digital communication. One of the topics was on "online personas". I included a paragraph about AFF in the paper and gave a brief description of the forum. So here is my question- if you were describing AFF to someone how would you describe it?
A forum or discussion board where individuals can discuss a wide variety of topics in an apostolic/pentecostal environment by posting and answering posts on a message board (not by chat or real time).
As for the question of who is on here lurking to leave (or why se are here) :
I post anonymously. I'm not looking to leave a oneness belief system but do question some local teachings. I came here to reconnect with a larger variety of oneness Pentecostals, find out what different groups and individuals are moving toward, get dates for meetings that are never announced in my limited fellowship and get some much needed anonymous time. Yes, I need a place where no one will report me for asking questions nor will misinterpret and report those misconceptions as gospel. Definitely somewhere that 'reprove and rebuke' is balanced with 'exhort' as well as seasoned well with love. I needed a break from looking over my shoulder. I also needed a time and place to express my own thoughts in writing so that I could see where I do and do not stand in relation to my very cons church.
One original intent was to be able to leave my current situation, but not my basic beliefs.
All and more have been met thru this forum.
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09-13-2009, 06:51 AM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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I agree it has been good for the UPC, however events like youth congress and reverting back to a business dress for people on the platform was a step backwards. It also shows the Wrestling Federation still has influence on the UPC.
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Approx 17,0000 in attendance was a step back? Okay.......lol
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09-13-2009, 07:02 AM
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Cross-examine it!
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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Approx 17,0000 in attendance was a step back? Okay.......lol
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It isn't how many that showed up that I was taking issue with it was requiring young people to dress up for an event that is about them because they are too afraid of the label that comes with some freedom. You tell a kid what to do everyday of his life and then when he turns 18 just turn him out. They have got to learn to give the kids the room to figure some things out for themselves while they are still at "home." They will never learn to be leaders as long as they are dictated to on every aspect of their life...they will only learn to be little dictators.
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09-13-2009, 07:08 AM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
You tell a kid what to do everyday of his life and then when he turns 18 just turn him out. They have got to learn to give the kids the room to figure some things out for themselves while they are still at "home."
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Thank you, Baron, I needed to hear that. It confirmed what I've been feeling about a situation in my own life.
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