My Name is on www.wedeclare.org

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

People are being different just for the sake of being different. That is incorrect motivation, and leads to pride, hypocrisy, a departure from scriptural principle, and ultimately, confusion.

We're supposed to obey the Word. And IF and WHEN that causes us to stand out from the world, (which it often will), then we are not to be FEARFUL of that difference. That doesn't mean we pursue difference just so we will stand out from the world. The motivation has to be an adherence to the Word, and not just preservation of a certain "look."

I've noticed some very important and prominent names missing from www.wedeclare.org. That is ALSO very telling and revealing, and we would all do well to take note of who, in leadership, did NOT sign the document.

before our forum posted a few threads there were only 50 or 60 signers. We gave then a 300+ boost.

The signers will taper off now that the dust has settled a bit.

PLUS with the EDIT today of article four the document becones null and void.

The change of wording after collecting over 300 signatures renders the article illegal in a court of law, which i know it's not going to a court of law...I'm just saying... these guys are worthy of a great big laugh.

[n david]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I've noticed some very important and prominent names missing from www.wedeclare.org. That is ALSO very telling and revealing, and we would all do well to take note of who, in leadership, did NOT sign the document.

I would imagine pressure is being applied on prominent individuals to sign ... "for the good of the organization" ...

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

There is not unity because light has no unity with darkness. At some point, people have to start defining what is light and what is dark.

Many of us think that when peopel decide they want to dress and act just like the sinners do, they are playing in the dark. Why would we not refuse to hold hands in unity with that sort of living?

DARKNESS has to do with SIN. Interesting that Galatians is the most familiar list of sins (works of the flesh) in the New Testament, yet in creating a document that everyone should sign and agree on, it was left out in favor of, "Just don't let your women cut their hair and wear jewelry, makeup or immodest clothing."

That is imbalanced.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

DARKNESS has to do with SIN. Interesting that Galatians is the most familiar list of sins (works of the flesh) in the New Testament, yet in creating a document that everyone should sign and agree on, it was left out in favor of, "Just don't let your women cut their hair and wear jewelry, makeup or immodest clothing."

That is imbalanced.

You are so nice. I'd have said ignorant. It's a good thing I didn't.

[Nitehawk013]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

DARKNESS has to do with SIN. Interesting that Galatians is the most familiar list of sins (works of the flesh) in the New Testament, yet in creating a document that everyone should sign and agree on, it was left out in favor of, "Just don't let your women cut their hair and wear jewelry, makeup or immodest clothing."

That is imbalanced.

And I thinkyou know very well that no one is substituting anything. The list in Galatians is preached against plenty. You are trying to defelct. No one is saying someone can live in those sins all they want as long as they "look the part". You know that.

And how does one dress differnt or like a sinner? Easy. Have you looked at how trashy and sickening people in the world dress? Pretty easy to say since you are suppsoed to be a Christian....dress contrary to them.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

And I thinkyou know very well that no one is substituting anything. The list in Galatians is preached against plenty. You are trying to defelct. No one is saying someone can live in those sins all they want as long as they "look the part". You know that.

And how does one dress differnt or like a sinner? Easy. Have you looked at how trashy and sickening people in the world dress? Pretty easy to say since you are suppsoed to be a Christian....dress contrary to them.

Newsflash: A lot of people "in the world" (unbelievers) do NOT dress trashy or sickening. Where have you been????? That's like preachers who try to say everyone who wears makeup looks like Tammy Faye - totally erroneous! There are extremes to everything.

[yisraelm]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Newsflash: A lot of people "in the world" (unbelievers) do NOT dress trashy or sickening. Where have you been????? That's like preachers who try to say everyone who wears makeup looks like Tammy Faye - totally erroneous! There are extremes to everything.

Where have you been??? My 4 year old daughter can even see worldly people dress like trash.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

And I thinkyou know very well that no one is substituting anything. The list in Galatians is preached against plenty. You are trying to defelct. No one is saying someone can live in those sins all they want as long as they "look the part". You know that.

And how does one dress differnt or like a sinner? Easy. Have you looked at how trashy and sickening people in the world dress? Pretty easy to say since you are suppsoed to be a Christian....dress contrary to them.

I'm not trying to dress "different" from a sinner, Nitehawk. I try to obey the Word and wear modest apparel. That will cause a natural difference to occur in most cases, but we shouldn't "dress contrary to them" just to achieve difference.

It's backwards.

And my point was that these are peripherals that don't belong in a document with core doctrines that can't be refuted or debated.

HOLINESS is simply purity. A freedom from sin, or impurity. What a person LOOKS like is the most shallow end of that pool, and the "wedeclare" authors have made it the essence of holiness.

Let's rail against lying, stealing, coveting, envy, divisions, sexual impurity, "and the such like", instead.

Leave issues of outward appearance to the pastors and local church leadership.

Why is that so hard?

[yisraelm]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

And I thinkyou know very well that no one is substituting anything. The list in Galatians is preached against plenty. You are trying to defelct. No one is saying someone can live in those sins all they want as long as they "look the part". You know that.

And how does one dress differnt or like a sinner? Easy. Have you looked at how trashy and sickening people in the world dress? Pretty easy to say since you are suppsoed to be a Christian....dress contrary to them.

Absolutely ! But this is what happens when people loose Clothes Line Holiness, they feel @ home looking like the world!

[yisraelm]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

There is not unity because light has no unity with darkness. At some point, people have to start defining what is light and what is dark.

Many of us think that when peopel decide they want to dress and act just like the sinners do, they are playing in the dark. Why would we not refuse to hold hands in unity with that sort of living?

Amen! Preach it!