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Old 09-25-2009, 01:18 PM
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Re: You have to see it to believe it

A German Lady Remembers and Speaks
by Lori Kalner

In Germany, when Hitler came to power, it was a time of terrible financial depression. Money was worth nothing. In Germany people lost homes and jobs, just like in the American Depression in the 1930s, which we have read about in Thoene's Shiloh books. In those days, in my homeland, Adolph Hitler was elected to power by promising "CHANGE." He blamed the "Zionists" around the world for all our problems. He told everyone it was greedy Zionist Bankers who had caused every problem we had. He promised that when he will be leader, the greedy Zionist bankers would be punished. The Zionists, he promised, would be wiped off the face of the earth. So Hitler was elected to power. A coalition of political parties in parliament made him supreme leader. Then, when he was leader, he disgraced and expelled everyone in parliament who did not go along with him.

Yes. CHANGE came to my homeland as the new leader promised it would. The teachers in German schools began to teach the children to sing songs in praise of Hitler. This was the beginning of the Hitler Youth movement. It began with praise of the Fuhrer's programs on the lips of innocent children. Little girls and boys joined hands and sang these songs as they walked home from school. My brother came home and told Papa what was happening at school. The political hymns of children proclaimed CHANGE was coming to our homeland and the Fuhrer was a leader we could trust.

I will never forget my father's face. Grief and fear. He knew that the best propaganda of the Nazis was on the lips of little children. That evening before he said grace at the dinner table, he placed his hands upon the heads of my brothers and me and prayed the Living Word upon us from Jeremiah 1:4-5. 'Now the Word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to The nations."

Soon the children's songs praising the Fuhrer were heard everywhere on the streets and over the radio. "With our Fuhrer to lead us, WE CAN DO IT! We can CHANGE the world!" Soon after that Papa, a pastor, was turned away from visiting elderly parishioners in hospitals. The people he had come to comfort with God's Word were no longer there. Where had they vanished to while under nationalized health care? It became an open secret. The elderly and sick began to disappear from hospitals feet first as "mercy killing" became the policy. Children with disabilities and those who had Down syndrome were euthanized. People whispered, "Maybe it is better for them now. Put them out of misery. They are no longer suffering.And, of course, their death is better for the treasury of our nation. Our taxes no longer must be spent to care for such a burden." And so murder was called mercy.

The government took over private business. Industry and health care were "nationalized." (NA-ZI means National Socialist Party) The businesses of all Jews were seized. Surely you remember our story in Berlin on Krystalnacht. The world and God's word were turned upside down. Hitler promised the people economic CHANGE. It was, rather, Lucifer's very ancient delusion leading to destruction.

What began with the propaganda of children singing a catchy tune ended in the deaths of millions of children. The reality of what came upon us is so horrible that you in this present generation cannot imagine it. Our suffering is too great to ever tell in a book or show in a newsreel. When I spoke to my friend about some of these things, she wept and said she could not bear to write them. Perhaps one day she will, but I asked her, "who could bear to read our suffering?" Yet with my last breaths I warn every Christian and Jew now in the name of the Lord, unless your course of the church in America is spiritually changed now, returning to the Lord, there are new horrors yet to come.

I trembled when I heard the voices of American children raised in song, praising the name of Obama, the charismatic fellow who claims he is the American Messiah. Yet I have heard what this man Obama says about abortion and the "mercy killing" of tiny babies who are not wanted. There are so few of us left to warn you. I have heard that there are 69 million Catholics in America and 70 million Evangelical Christians. Where are your voices? Where is your outrage? Where is passion and your vote? Do you vote based on an abortionist's empty promises and economics? Or do you vote according to the Bible? Thus says the Lord about every living child still in the womb. "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you."

I have experienced the signs of the politics of Death in my youth. I see them again now. Christians! Unless you stand up now, you will lose your freedom of religion. In America priests and preachers have already lost their freedom to speak openly from their pulpits. We see danger in politicians. They cannot legally instruct you of which politician holds fast to the precepts of scripture. American law forbids this freedom of speech to conservative pastors. They may lose their tax exempt status. And yet I have heard the words of Obama's pastor damning America!

I have heard the words of Obama damning and mocking all of you in small towns because you "Cling to your religion." But I am a woman whose name is unknown. My life is recorded as a work of fiction. I have no fear of reprisal when I speak truth to you from the pages of a book. I am an old woman and will soon go to be with my Lord. I have no fear for myself, but for all of you and for your children, I tremble. I tremble at the hymns to a political leaders which your children will sing at school. (Though even now a hymn or a prayer to God and our Lord Jesus is against the law in public school!)

I pray that you will personally heed this warning for the sake of your children and your grandchildren. Do not be deceived.

The Lord bless you as you bless Israel by standing in defense of her right to exist on the land given to the Jewish people by the God of Israel. Lets pray that Israel will turn back to their God. Do not be silent, but share this with your fellow Christians, share it with your pastors, and with anyone you have a chance to speak to. Lets also pray for that breakthrough to the Muslims, and please remember to pray for all of the soldiers in the IDF - they are defending and fighting for the Kingdom of God.

From The CARMEL ALERT July 17th 2009
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Old 09-25-2009, 02:01 PM
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I remember receiving an email back during the election time about Hitler also having a hymn sung to him by children.
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A German Lady Remembers and Speaks
by Lori Kalner

In Germany, when Hitler came to power, it was a time of terrible financial depression. Money was worth nothing. In Germany people lost homes and jobs, just like in the American Depression in the 1930s, which we have read about in Thoene's Shiloh books. In those days, in my homeland, Adolph Hitler was elected to power by promising "CHANGE." He blamed the "Zionists" around the world for all our problems. He told everyone it was greedy Zionist Bankers who had caused every problem we had. He promised that when he will be leader, the greedy Zionist bankers would be punished. The Zionists, he promised, would be wiped off the face of the earth. So Hitler was elected to power. A coalition of political parties in parliament made him supreme leader. Then, when he was leader, he disgraced and expelled everyone in parliament who did not go along with him.

Yes. CHANGE came to my homeland as the new leader promised it would. The teachers in German schools began to teach the children to sing songs in praise of Hitler. This was the beginning of the Hitler Youth movement. It began with praise of the Fuhrer's programs on the lips of innocent children. Little girls and boys joined hands and sang these songs as they walked home from school. My brother came home and told Papa what was happening at school. The political hymns of children proclaimed CHANGE was coming to our homeland and the Fuhrer was a leader we could trust.

I will never forget my father's face. Grief and fear. He knew that the best propaganda of the Nazis was on the lips of little children. That evening before he said grace at the dinner table, he placed his hands upon the heads of my brothers and me and prayed the Living Word upon us from Jeremiah 1:4-5. 'Now the Word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to The nations."

Soon the children's songs praising the Fuhrer were heard everywhere on the streets and over the radio. "With our Fuhrer to lead us, WE CAN DO IT! We can CHANGE the world!" Soon after that Papa, a pastor, was turned away from visiting elderly parishioners in hospitals. The people he had come to comfort with God's Word were no longer there. Where had they vanished to while under nationalized health care? It became an open secret. The elderly and sick began to disappear from hospitals feet first as "mercy killing" became the policy. Children with disabilities and those who had Down syndrome were euthanized. People whispered, "Maybe it is better for them now. Put them out of misery. They are no longer suffering.And, of course, their death is better for the treasury of our nation. Our taxes no longer must be spent to care for such a burden." And so murder was called mercy.

The government took over private business. Industry and health care were "nationalized." (NA-ZI means National Socialist Party) The businesses of all Jews were seized. Surely you remember our story in Berlin on Krystalnacht. The world and God's word were turned upside down. Hitler promised the people economic CHANGE. It was, rather, Lucifer's very ancient delusion leading to destruction.

What began with the propaganda of children singing a catchy tune ended in the deaths of millions of children. The reality of what came upon us is so horrible that you in this present generation cannot imagine it. Our suffering is too great to ever tell in a book or show in a newsreel. When I spoke to my friend about some of these things, she wept and said she could not bear to write them. Perhaps one day she will, but I asked her, "who could bear to read our suffering?" Yet with my last breaths I warn every Christian and Jew now in the name of the Lord, unless your course of the church in America is spiritually changed now, returning to the Lord, there are new horrors yet to come.

I trembled when I heard the voices of American children raised in song, praising the name of Obama, the charismatic fellow who claims he is the American Messiah. Yet I have heard what this man Obama says about abortion and the "mercy killing" of tiny babies who are not wanted. There are so few of us left to warn you. I have heard that there are 69 million Catholics in America and 70 million Evangelical Christians. Where are your voices? Where is your outrage? Where is passion and your vote? Do you vote based on an abortionist's empty promises and economics? Or do you vote according to the Bible? Thus says the Lord about every living child still in the womb. "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you."

I have experienced the signs of the politics of Death in my youth. I see them again now. Christians! Unless you stand up now, you will lose your freedom of religion. In America priests and preachers have already lost their freedom to speak openly from their pulpits. We see danger in politicians. They cannot legally instruct you of which politician holds fast to the precepts of scripture. American law forbids this freedom of speech to conservative pastors. They may lose their tax exempt status. And yet I have heard the words of Obama's pastor damning America!

I have heard the words of Obama damning and mocking all of you in small towns because you "Cling to your religion." But I am a woman whose name is unknown. My life is recorded as a work of fiction. I have no fear of reprisal when I speak truth to you from the pages of a book. I am an old woman and will soon go to be with my Lord. I have no fear for myself, but for all of you and for your children, I tremble. I tremble at the hymns to a political leaders which your children will sing at school. (Though even now a hymn or a prayer to God and our Lord Jesus is against the law in public school!)

I pray that you will personally heed this warning for the sake of your children and your grandchildren. Do not be deceived.

The Lord bless you as you bless Israel by standing in defense of her right to exist on the land given to the Jewish people by the God of Israel. Lets pray that Israel will turn back to their God. Do not be silent, but share this with your fellow Christians, share it with your pastors, and with anyone you have a chance to speak to. Lets also pray for that breakthrough to the Muslims, and please remember to pray for all of the soldiers in the IDF - they are defending and fighting for the Kingdom of God.

From The CARMEL ALERT July 17th 2009
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Old 10-03-2009, 12:03 PM
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I don't really understand how this is any different from singing about Lincoln or Washington. We used to sing about the presidents all the time. No one made a big deal about that.
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I don't really understand how this is any different from singing about Lincoln or Washington. We used to sing about the presidents all the time. No one made a big deal about that.
They weren't black.

A person is stupid and down right ignorant if they can not see where a black teacher would make up a song about the first black man to be elected President. If all of our presidents from George Washington to Bush had been black men and finaly a white man was elected don't you think some white teacher would write a song and teach it to her class???? Just another thing for Fox and it's followers to cry about.
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I don't really understand how this is any different from singing about Lincoln or Washington. We used to sing about the presidents all the time. No one made a big deal about that.
You gotta be dreaming. Never one time in all my years of going to school did I ever sing praises to any president from Roosevelt to the present, especially the present.
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You gotta be dreaming. Never one time in all my years of going to school did I ever sing praises to any president from Roosevelt to the present, especially the present.

I'm not.
In elementary school, it was all about patriotic songs. Singing about the presidents and so forth.
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Any one president or presidents in general and were you rehearsed by a liberal teacher?
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Any one president?
Yes. Washington was often in our songs.

Really. It's not as big of a deal as everyone is making it out to be.
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They weren't black.

A person is stupid and down right ignorant if they can not see where a black teacher would make up a song about the first black man to be elected President. If all of our presidents from George Washington to Bush had been black men and finaly a white man was elected don't you think some white teacher would write a song and teach it to her class???? Just another thing for Fox and it's followers to cry about.
Please try to be nice. Go sit in a corner and read 1 Cor. 13 again.
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