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Old 10-07-2009, 10:10 PM
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Re: It's Sad.

Sigh,

No wonder some people hate the Wedeclare stand!

For some people, fat meat isnt greasy.

The ministry was to put a difference between the holy and the profane.

Lev 10:8 And the LORD spake unto Aaron, saying,
Lev 10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
Lev 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;
Lev 10:11 And that ye may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD hath spoken unto them by the hand of Moses.

There was a penalty when they quit that.

Eze 22:25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.
Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

If you no longer want rules then get out of the ministry, go be a walmart greeter or something, but don't make a mockery of the ministry!
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Old 10-07-2009, 11:42 PM
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Re: It's Sad.

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Sigh,

No wonder some people hate the Wedeclare stand!

For some people, fat meat isnt greasy.

The ministry was to put a difference between the holy and the profane.

Lev 10:8 And the LORD spake unto Aaron, saying,
Lev 10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
Lev 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;
Lev 10:11 And that ye may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD hath spoken unto them by the hand of Moses.

There was a penalty when they quit that.

Eze 22:25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof,
like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.
Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

If you no longer want rules then get out of the ministry, go be a walmart greeter or something, but don't make a mockery of the ministry!
AMEN! .. the 'murmurers' strike yet again!
and THAT is sad.
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Old 10-07-2009, 11:52 PM
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Re: It's Sad.

I don't believe anyone has said we don't need rules.

However, rules can never replace relationship.
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Old 10-08-2009, 12:08 AM
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Re: It's Sad.

I don't believe that anyone said that rules replace relationships either...what no one has yet experienced rules and relationship(s) concurrently?
M o r e SAD.

Methinks I've encountered more than enough SAD spirits today, I shall say my bedtime
prayers for all them., and hope that tomorrow finds them happier.
g'nite & GODBLESS.
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Old 10-08-2009, 05:16 AM
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Re: It's Sad.

It's sad that this generation is more interested in asking what is lawful, rather than what is expedient.

It's sad that people are trying so hard to get rid of every standard the church has held in order to be "liberated".

It's sad that men and women value worldiness over seperation and godly traditions.

It's sad that every year it gets harder and harder to look atthe church and see a difference from the denominals.

It's sad that people tear their leaders down on message boards because they disagree with them.

It's sad.

See...it works that way too.
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Old 10-08-2009, 05:18 AM
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Re: It's Sad.

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Sigh,

No wonder some people hate the Wedeclare stand!

For some people, fat meat isnt greasy.

The ministry was to put a difference between the holy and the profane.

Lev 10:8 And the LORD spake unto Aaron, saying,
Lev 10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
Lev 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;
Lev 10:11 And that ye may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD hath spoken unto them by the hand of Moses.

There was a penalty when they quit that.

Eze 22:25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.
Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

If you no longer want rules then get out of the ministry, go be a walmart greeter or something, but don't make a mockery of the ministry!
Now THAT is a great post!!!!
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Old 10-08-2009, 05:31 AM
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Re: It's Sad.

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It's sad that this generation is more interested in asking what is lawful, rather than what is expedient.

It's sad that people are trying so hard to get rid of every standard the church has held in order to be "liberated".

It's sad that men and women value worldiness over seperation and godly traditions.

It's sad that every year it gets harder and harder to look atthe church and see a difference from the denominals.

It's sad that people tear their leaders down on message boards because they disagree with them.

It's sad.

See...it works that way too.
I agree 100%

It's sad that those who don't believe seperation or standards are necessary try to convince everyone else they are wrong.

It is sad that both sides seem to forget the greatest commandment of all, LOVE.

I'm not always sure what is necessary as far as standards are concerned but this I do know. Jesus loved me enough to give all, anything I can do is just a small token in return. I'm more concerned with what I can do for Him rather what I can get by not doing.
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Old 10-08-2009, 06:03 AM
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I agree 100%

It's sad that those who don't believe seperation or standards are necessary try to convince everyone else they are wrong.

It is sad that both sides seem to forget the greatest commandment of all, LOVE.

I'm not always sure what is necessary as far as standards are concerned but this I do know. Jesus loved me enough to give all, anything I can do is just a small token in return. I'm more concerned with what I can do for Him rather what I can get by not doing.
Now that brethren and sethren is a HAPPY attitude!!!!!

One I always want to embrace!
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Old 10-08-2009, 06:47 AM
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Re: It's Sad.

I am working on a sermon/lesson for the end of this month on the issue of Lawful versus Expedient. It comes down to just this sort of thing. Obviously it isn't a strictly standards lesson. It goes into all areas of our Christian life.

Everyone gets so stuck on asking "am I allowed to ____" instead of asking the right question which is "should I ___" or "is it good for me and those around me if I ____". Everything is lawful for us now that we are in the new covenant. That doesn't mean we should do a whole lot of things that are not good for us. Just because God doesn't say "thou shalt not" doesn't mean we should go about doing it. We ought to have enough judgment, conviction and Holy Ghost to not do some things even if they are genuinely lawful for us.

I may lawfully get away with a good many things that we teach against. That doesn't mean doing those things is expedient or good for me or others. "Is it lawful" is the wrong question.
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Old 10-08-2009, 07:08 AM
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I am working on a sermon/lesson for the end of this month on the issue of Lawful versus Expedient. It comes down to just this sort of thing. Obviously it isn't a strictly standards lesson. It goes into all areas of our Christian life.

Everyone gets so stuck on asking "am I allowed to ____" instead of asking the right question which is "should I ___" or "is it good for me and those around me if I ____". Everything is lawful for us now that we are in the new covenant. That doesn't mean we should do a whole lot of things that are not good for us. Just because God doesn't say "thou shalt not" doesn't mean we should go about doing it. We ought to have enough judgment, conviction and Holy Ghost to not do some things even if they are genuinely lawful for us.

I may lawfully get away with a good many things that we teach against. That doesn't mean doing those things is expedient or good for me or others. "Is it lawful" is the wrong question.
That is a good topic. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should.

We can focus on clothes and makeup etc and forget the big picture, which is life lived in submission to the will of God, everything needs to yeild to that, whether it is what we do, say, wear, where we go.. all of it and how it impacts others.

We should be asking ourselves what can I do to be better for Jesus when instead we ask "what can I get away with and stay saved"

I like the Philippians 4:8 test

Philippians 4:8 KJVR
(8) Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Filtering the Lawful but expedient things through the lens of Ph 4:8 by asking:
  1. Is _______ true?
  2. Is _______ honest?
  3. Is _______ just?
  4. Is _______ lovely?
  5. Is _______ of good report?
  6. Is _______ virtuous?
  7. Is _______ praise?
Applying this to not only thoughts but actions.

I am thinking that if we apply this principle to everything from clothing to activity then we will find that we don't need a master list of do's and don'ts to guide us.

And that many of the expedient things that are lawful but not convenient will be shed as we seek to live closer to Jesus.

I don't always succeed at this but I try.
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