Post UPCI Gen Supt. Election Questions - Page 2

n david · #11 10-08-2009, 07:22 AM

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I personally will put my money on the horse named Rodney Shaw!!

If RS and DKB are as close a team as I've heard, I wouldn't be surprised to see RS going to HQ with DKB.

Nitehawk013 · #12 10-08-2009, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Kim Komando

Why the Holy Spirit wasn't checking PMs spirit while he was peacocking and sabre rattling to cons for the last year while trashing emergents and signaling to confidantes he would run is puzzling.

Lots of maybes, perhaps with PM?

Maybe his church is in a building project that is close to 20 million dollars in debt?

Maybe he has not been to secure his lineage (in law) as pastor as the church is not keen to the idea, and subsequently unable to secure a nest egg?

And, maybe it might be a reticent spouse or underlying health issues?

Yeah...it had to be some sinister reason right? Couldn't possibly be that PM actually felt checked in his spirit and decided it was more important to Pastor.

It's sickening how easily people cast such things upon leadership these days. No wonder the churches have such problems. Disrespect runs amuck. Pastors always have to be evil and about the money right? They never hear from God, it's always just about the paycheck or "nest egg".

Sherri · #13 10-08-2009, 07:44 AM

My uncle said that as Paul Mooney walked off the platform (or behind it), God spoke to him and told him to remove his name. I just have to believe if he said that's what happened, then it did. If that's what happened, then he doesn't owe an explanation to anyone; he just had to obey and I respect that.

Kim Komando · #14 10-08-2009, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Yeah...it had to be some sinister reason right? Couldn't possibly be that PM actually felt checked in his spirit and decided it was more important to Pastor.

It's sickening how easily people cast such things upon leadership these days. No wonder the churches have such problems. Disrespect runs amuck. Pastors always have to be evil and about the money right? They never hear from God, it's always just about the paycheck or "nest egg".

Nitehawk, there is nothing sinister about planning ahead for retirement. If PM weighed this in his spontaneous decision making while being checked in the Spirit is his right and patriarchal resonsibility, especially since retirement planning for a minister can have many complexities and harsh realities. I would add that adding SINISTER motives to proposed hypothetical questions smacks of judgmentalism and MAY be sinister itself.

Nitehawk013 · #15 10-08-2009, 07:53 AM

Don't sugar it up now Kim. Re-read your first sentenc ein the original post. Anyone reading that get sthat your point was clear.

You imply very clearly that he wasn't hearing from God. You make it clear that your opinion is that he was acting on his own tryin to getthe position then when he came to the point of election decided the safe money of being a Pastor was abetter bet.

The only way you could have been more clear in what you meant was if you posted it on a neon sign. Don't turn and try to hide it because someone called you on it. Own up to it. You don't like PM's ideology so you took an opportunity to question his integrity and motives. Fine. But don't try to hide it and then spin it back on me for saying somethign about it.

n david · #16 10-08-2009, 08:00 AM

I respect it. Regardless of timing ... sometimes God waits until the last moment to test our obedience and faith in Him. It could be God wanted to see how PM would respond knowing he had the votes to be GS.

I'd be careful in suggesting that PM did this for lineage, money or because of a nest egg. I'm sure the GS is well taken care of, both during and after their service.

Proud2BUPC · #17 10-08-2009, 08:20 AM

I can understand why some question the actions. We have all experienced those that hide their own wishes by claiming God told them. Not saying PM did that at all.

Kim Komando · #18 10-08-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Don't sugar it up now Kim. Re-read your first sentenc ein the original post. Anyone reading that get sthat your point was clear.

You imply very clearly that he wasn't hearing from God. You make it clear that your opinion is that he was acting on his own tryin to getthe position then when he came to the point of election decided the safe money of being a Pastor was abetter bet.

The only way you could have been more clear in what you meant was if you posted it on a neon sign. Don't turn and try to hide it because someone called you on it. Own up to it. You don't like PM's ideology so you took an opportunity to question his integrity and motives. Fine. But don't try to hide it and then spin it back on me for saying somethign about it.

Two points in which we can agree in your last post...1. I do not agree with PM’s ideology and would add approach in the last year towards those he disagrees with, this includes his report as head of the “Emerging Committee” and various documented preachings in the last few months against “emergents” in the fellowship. ..2. I did..give in..my opening declarative statements of post #1, ..my opinion about I what I have inferred from his well documented actions and words, from primary evidence (committee report and votes in his favor) , and anecdotal evidence from his peers that PM engaged in politicking until he “heard” from God. I respect what I perceive as your altruism and naïveté, that somehow, this election process is somehow a simply a spirit-led one in which leaders scale Mount Horeb for direction -- but the recent politicking within the fellowship, especially the blatant one’s like (WeDeclare) ,are open to analysis and discussion even if you would rather stifle varying views with attempting to claim moral ground and attach sinister motives to another's opinions with blanket absolutes about hypotheticals...The internal struggles that PM felt will continue to be a point of speculation up until the point he went behind the curtain and reneged and contradicted signals he had made to the conservative voting bloc, whether Nitehawk thinks it questions his integrity or not. And any financial realities are fair game too.

StillStanding · #19 10-08-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Proud2BUPC

I can understand why some question the actions. We have all experienced those that hide their own wishes by claiming God told them. Not saying PM did that at all.

It has also been my experience that some preachers like to put spiritual emphasis on their decision making by saying that God told them. I'm not saying that this is the case with PM, but I've seen it abused so many times that I'm skeptic whenever a preacher says it.

Why don't preachers own their decisions? Why can't they say, "After much prayer and consideration, I've decided......"?

MissBrattified · #20 10-08-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kim Komando

Why the Holy Spirit wasn't checking PMs spirit while he was peacocking and sabre rattling to cons for the last year while trashing emergents and signaling to confidantes he would run is puzzling.

Lots of maybes, perhaps with PM?

Maybe his church is in a building project that is close to 20 million dollars in debt?

Maybe he has not been to secure his lineage (in law) as pastor as the church is not keen to the idea, and subsequently unable to secure a nest egg?

And, maybe it might be a reticent spouse or underlying health issues?

Or, MAYBE he's telling the truth?

Why does there have to be a conspiracy behind everything?