Post UPCI Gen Supt. Election Questions

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Consapostolic1

If he really said this then I can't fault him for withdrawing his name.

He DID really say that. And I see no good reason to call him a liar.

[Pro31:28]

Was there any truth to the DB "twitter" that was referred to the day of election?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Kim Komando

Two points in which we can agree in your last post...1. I do not agree with PM’s ideology and would add approach in the last year towards those he disagrees with, this includes his report as head of the “Emerging Committee” and various documented preachings in the last few months against “emergents” in the fellowship. ..2. I did..give in..my opening declarative statements of post #1, ..my opinion about I what I have inferred from his well documented actions and words, from primary evidence (committee report and votes in his favor) , and anecdotal evidence from his peers that PM engaged in politicking until he “heard” from God. I respect what I perceive as your altruism and naïveté, that somehow, this election process is somehow a simply a spirit-led one in which leaders scale Mount Horeb for direction -- but the recent politicking within the fellowship, especially the blatant one’s like (WeDeclare) ,are open to analysis and discussion even if you would rather stifle varying views with attempting to claim moral ground and attach sinister motives to another's opinions with blanket absolutes about hypotheticals...The internal struggles that PM felt will continue to be a point of speculation up until the point he went behind the curtain and reneged and contradicted signals he had made to the conservative voting bloc, whether Nitehawk thinks it questions his integrity or not. And any financial realities are fair game too.

In spite of your fairly intelligent analysis of the whole situation, we shouldn't treat the interactions of these men with the same cynical perspective we do of say, the presidential elections and the behind-the-scenes antics that occur there. These are still men who love God, who, for all intents and purposes, do their best to serve Him and His kingdom, and don't really deserve to be painted as corrupt mobsters who lie, scheme, whisper & conspire behind backs just to get a position in the organization.

Furthermore, it is true that Bro. Mooney said the Lord checked him after the nomination, so if you continue with the conspiracy theories, you're just calling him a liar.

It's also possible that he may have had some misgivings (like the ones you listed), and was willing to take those risks ANYWAY, in order to be GS--but then the Lord checked him in his spirit.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sarah

Maybe the Lord wanted DB to be GS? Lots of praying and fasting going on before conference.

I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but I personally don't think God has anything to do with our political/religious organizations.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by n david

I respect it. Regardless of timing ... sometimes God waits until the last moment to test our obedience and faith in Him. It could be God wanted to see how PM would respond knowing he had the votes to be GS.

I'd be careful in suggesting that PM did this for lineage, money or because of a nest egg. I'm sure the GS is well taken care of, both during and after their service.

This is a lot of supposition.
We don't know PM's motives.
We don't know his heart.

From what I understand, he had been "campaigning" for the position for some time, then when it looked like he had it, he turned it down. If he said the Holy Spirit "checked" him, let's just accept that and not try to figure it all out. How many others would react that way to the Holy Spirit when it looked like a political office like that was about to be handed to them?

[Kim Komando]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

In spite of your fairly intelligent analysis of the whole situation, we shouldn't treat the interactions of these men with the same cynical perspective we do of say, the presidential elections and the behind-the-scenes antics that occur there. These are still men who love God, who, for all intents and purposes, do their best to serve Him and His kingdom, and don't really deserve to be painted as corrupt mobsters who lie, scheme, whisper & conspire behind backs just to get a position in the organization.

Furthermore, it is true that Bro. Mooney said the Lord checked him after the nomination, so if you continue with the conspiracy theories, you're just calling him a liar.

It's also possible that he may have had some misgivings (like the ones you listed), and was willing to take those risks ANYWAY, in order to be GS--but then the Lord checked him in his spirit.

I agree men of God should be given some benefit of the doubt while still clueless to where a conspiracy theory is laid out but rather speculative hypotheticals throughout this thread by myself and multiple posters. I would be very disappointed in Miss Brat if she is taking JR preachers assertion as bible truth not knowing if this is first or third hand info or if PM told her himself. I don't doubt if he did undergo such a check and or other mundane considerations were weighed. PM knows. This is all mere speculation.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Sam

I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but I personally don't think God has anything to do with our political/religious organizations.

Indeed.

I wasn't going to say it but since it has been said I will certainly stand up and agree with it.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Kim Komando

I agree men of God should be given some benefit of the doubt while still clueless to where a conspiracy theory is laid out but rather speculative hypotheticals throughout this thread by myself and multiple posters. I would be very disappointed in Miss Brat if she is taking JR preachers assertion as bible truth not knowing if this is first or third hand info or if PM told her himself. I don't doubt if he did undergo such a check and or other mundane considerations were weighed. PM knows. This is all mere speculation.

I'm not taking JRpreacher's assertion; I know it to be true from a different, and much closer source, and I was told minutes after the nomination--not days later. I was asked not to post it, so I didn't. However, it's obviously common knowledge now.

But...in the interest of not taking third hand assertions or theories, why not call PM yourself and ask him for his reasons? That's the best way to find out the truth, rather than posting nefarious and suggestive "theories" on the internet.

It's unfair to question someone's motives after they've already stated their reasons, and then try to take the high road and pretend you said nothing that could be taken the wrong way. Carefully parsing gossipy prattle into "theories & speculation" doesn't make it different at the core. The REASON we can move past the theories is BECAUSE PM said the Lord checked him. If you don't believe that coming from reliable sources, then ask him yourself. He's a nice guy; I'm sure he wouldn't mind answering you if you called and asked, "What was your reason for turning down the nomination?"

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by CC1

The election of David K. Bernard to the position of General Supintendant of the UPCI left some questions to be answered.

Here are a couple I have to get the ball rolling. Perhaps some AFFer will have some answers;

1. Does anybody know why Paul Mooney removed his name from consideration after receiving the most votes on the nominating ballot? Has he publicly stated why?

According to PM, the Lord "checked" him. Obviously he was looking in that direction (being the next GS), so it makes sense that this would be the only reason he would turn it down. I don't know if he has stated that publicly, but he has stated it privately.

[U376977]

Originally Posted by Pro31:28

Was there any truth to the DB "twitter" that was referred to the day of election?

What twitter???