Post UPCI Gen Supt. Election Questions

[Consapostolic1]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I understand exactly what you are saying. God gets blamed for a lot of things at times. It's all too confusing when you stop and thing about it.

Everyone thinks they are right - not everyone can be right. Wilson felt led by God to pull out of UPCI and start their own org. UPCI feels they are doing God's will. wedeclare feel they are making a stand for what God wants --- which one is right?

In the end, men are doing what they feel is right. Is that wrong, not really, but don't say it's all what God wants.

I totally agree with you on this one.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Consapostolic1

Please don't get what I said twisted by implying that I was trying to call someone a liar because that was NOT my intentions. What I meant to imply was that as much passed down information we get on this forum, if this is what really happened to Bro. PM then I don't hold anything against him for following after God in the manner he did.

Well, I wasn't talking to you--I was talking to Kim Komando.

Look, I think things are open for speculation and theorizing until a person gives an explanation. Then we need to give them the benefit of the doubt and take their explanation.

Maybe God DID try to talk to PM wayyyy before GC, and he wasn't paying attention.

I agree that God gets blamed for a lot of things--but, again, if a fellow Christian says, "I can't do that because God told me not to", I have no real good reason to doubt them. Frankly, since this is something PM was obviously interested in, I would think this would be the only logical explanation to him withdrawing his name.

[Esther]

There will be an election in November to see who will be replacing DKB position as GS of STX.

Ken Gurley is the secretary and he may have a good chance at it, but Rex Johnson is probably more popular.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by CC1

The election of David K. Bernard to the position of General Supintendant of the UPCI left some questions to be answered.

Here are a couple I have to get the ball rolling. Perhaps some AFFer will have some answers;

1. Does anybody know why Paul Mooney removed his name from consideration after receiving the most votes on the nominating ballot? Has he publicly stated why? ...

1. It was 'discovered' that PM had employed illegal aliens as housekeepers back in the 1980's and had failed to pay Social Security taxes on their earnings. Photographic evidence (below) was presented during a closed Conference Business Session. PM quietly removed his name immediately after that.

Originally Posted by CC1

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2. Does anybody know who will pastor DKB's church since the UPCI does not allow the GS to continue to pastor? Is his Asst. Pastor the heir apparent?

2. That's already been addressed - see also pic (above).

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Well, I wasn't talking to you--I was talking to Kim Komando.

Look, I think things are open for speculation and theorizing until a person gives an explanation. Then we need to give them the benefit of the doubt and take their explanation.

Maybe God DID try to talk to PM wayyyy before GC, and he wasn't paying attention.

I agree that God gets blamed for a lot of things--but, again, if a fellow Christian says, "I can't do that because God told me not to", I have no real good reason to doubt them. Frankly, since this is something PM was obviously interested in, I would think this would be the only logical explanation to him withdrawing his name.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Esther

There will be an election in November to see who will be replacing DKB position as GS of STX.

Ken Gurley is the secretary and he may have a good chance at it, but Rex Johnson is probably more popular.

But does RJ want the job?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by pelathais

1. It was 'discovered' that PM had employed illegal aliens as housekeepers back in the 1980's and had failed to pay Social Security taxes on their earnings. Photographic evidence (below) was presented during a closed Conference Business Session. PM quietly removed his name immediately after that.



2. That's already been addressed - see also pic (above).

How did you do that, Pel? ...the part about Mooney's illegal alien housekeeper and Korean cloning success? LOL!!!

[Esther]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

But does RJ want the job?

I have no idea. I saw his name mentioned several times here on the forum.

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I don't see it as cynical. This is my assessment of what I see.

I'm not saying that the orgs are devilish or that people are evil. What I am stating is that an org is just that... an org. It is a creation of men and a division within the body (unless one org contains all that are in the Body of Christ).

So we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking that an org is some God ordained body. There is but one God ordained body and since an org is always a subset of that body it is a division within that Body.

I can't see God busying or concerning himself with the inner workings of a division of what should be whole.

well see that is the fatal flaw in this thinking. Who is the Body? Those who are saved. Who are those that are saved? Those who have the gospel and are faithful to him. Why do we have different orgs or whatever? Because they believe "this" is the gospel. Why do those of similar faith have different orgs? Man. So while in part you are correct man has created a distinction of affiliation your view fails because it pushes no distinction of what is essential belief. Is there only one essential belief? Yes, but many have different views to there own demise. Thus why you have different orgs for good reason. The ALJC and UPC both have people that I know preach and teach among each other churches. THey just belong to a different group of ministers. Is that good? No? If they are close enough they should join and fellowship freely! If the UPC has distinct beliefs that are the gospel truth...... well they should be distinct as a group of ministers that are of similar faith. In the end there is only one body but the reason why you have different orgs and label is for a good reason. We all have different beliefs on what the truth is and what and who the body is and does. Sorry but me and a fellow baptist may fellowship in certain ways it does not mean I will agree with him or want to be apart of what I would consider false doctrine. doesn't mean I can't pray with him or have some social interaction but in the end our beliefs limit what we do togethor in the since of affiliation.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

well see that is the fatal flaw in this thinking. Who is the Body? Those who are saved. Who are those that are saved? Those who have the gospel and are faithful to him. Why do we have different orgs or whatever? Because they believe "this" is the gospel. Why do those of similar faith have different orgs? Man. So while in part you are correct man has created a distinction of affiliation your view fails because it pushes no distinction of what is essential belief. Is there only one essential belief? Yes, but many have different views to there own demise. Thus why you have different orgs for good reason. The ALJC and UPC both have people that I know preach and teach among each other churches. THey just belong to a different group of ministers. Is that good? No? If they are close enough they should join and fellowship freely! If the UPC has distinct beliefs that are the gospel truth...... well they should be distinct as a group of ministers that are of similar faith. In the end there is only one body but the reason why you have different orgs and label is for a good reason. We all have different beliefs on what the truth is and what and who the body is and does.

Well. You said you saw the fatal flaw and yet you proved my point.