My kid starts college next year. If she was to say to me.. "I want to go to Bible college" I would fight her tooth and toenail, and I mean places like gateway, tbc, abi.
I will only pay for a real degree at a real college or university. So Miles... knock yerself out...
My kid starts college next year. If she was to say to me.. "I want to go to Bible college" I would fight her tooth and toenail, and I mean places like gateway, tbc, abi.
I will only pay for a real degree at a real college or university. So Miles... knock yerself out...
Your right as a paying parent
I guess it depends on what they are doing in life. If they're going to be a missionary in Africa, a quality Christian University that is well-rounded is good for her. I'm not anti-Bible schools. Martin Luther was chastized for leaving Law School for Seminary. I suppose there is great criticism, but it depends on where they are going in life.
My kid starts college next year. If she was to say to me.. "I want to go to Bible college" I would fight her tooth and toenail, and I mean places like gateway, tbc, abi.
I will only pay for a real degree at a real college or university. So Miles... knock yerself out...
Just think, I'm going to a Wesleyan School. I can only imagine what my UPCI brethren think of that.
I guess it depends on what they are doing in life. If they're going to be a missionary in Africa, a quality Christian University that is well-rounded is good for her. I'm not anti-Bible schools. Martin Luther was chastized for leaving Law School for Seminary. I suppose there is great criticism, but it depends on where they are going in life.
Vocations in he ministry are God called, not people called, and Jesus' has different qualifications standards than we have.
I'm sure we have different perspective on this, but Martin Luther was a secular philosopher on religious topics.
Prayer, fasting, consecration, the word of God (sans all the interpretations therof) close spiritual relationship to Jesus Christ, the mentoring of a people who are part of that, the Holy Ghost. More importantly the calling of the Lord.
Books and degrees don't make preachers, pastors and missionaries. God does.
And from how I see it "apostolic" bible colleges are nothing more than a really expensive dating service or a "ticket punch" into a ministry position that someone may not be called to or qualified for.And what have they done except turn out a group of leaders who are the architects of the plastic powerless pentecostalism that every one here gripes about?
__________________
Last edited by John Atkinson; 10-12-2009 at 04:55 PM.
Vocations in he ministry are God called, not people called, and Jesus' has different qualifications standards than we have.
I'm sure we have different perspective on this, but Martin Luther was a secular philosopher on religious topics.
Prayer, fasting, consecration, the word of God (sans all the interpretations therof) close spiritual relationship to Jesus Christ, the mentoring of a people who are part of that, the Holy Ghost.
Books and degrees don't make preachers, pastors and missionaries.
And frfom how I see it "apostolic bible colleges are nothing more than a really expensive dating service or a "ticket punch" into a ministry position that someone may not be called to or qualified for.
One could certainly make their case about the educational bar set at Apostolic Bible Schools.
I have a different perspective for a person who knows they want their life to be spent in the mission field full-time, active and radical. While we are all on the mission field, some are specifically forgoing careers, salaries, corporate ladders and dreams for the sake of the Kingdom. They are leaving fishing nets and family to help reach. God has already called us all. Mat 28:19 is our Commission. All of us. Some have felt God pull them, and I think for those, specific training with how to read, interpret and apply the Word of God are critical. You don't need a Bible School degree to love someone, to pray for someone, to operate in the supernatural, but if you plan to teach, disciple or lead a group of people, you should at least have a strong understand of the textbook for the course.
Vocations in he ministry are God called, not people called, and Jesus' has different qualifications standards than we have.
I'm sure we have different perspective on this, but Martin Luther was a secular philosopher on religious topics.
Prayer, fasting, consecration, the word of God (sans all the interpretations therof) close spiritual relationship to Jesus Christ, the mentoring of a people who are part of that, the Holy Ghost. More importantly the calling of the Lord.
Books and degrees don't make preachers, pastors and missionaries. God does.
And from how I see it "apostolic" bible colleges are nothing more than a really expensive dating service or a "ticket punch" into a ministry position that someone may not be called to or qualified for.And what have they done except turn out a group of leaders who are the architects of the plastic powerless pentecostalism that every one here gripes about?
Your right, books and Degrees don't make pastors and preachers, but they certainly don't hurt. *winks*
One could certainly make their case about the educational bar set at Apostolic Bible Schools.
I have a different perspective for a person who knows they want their life to be spent in the mission field full-time, active and radical. While we are all on the mission field, some are specifically forgoing careers, salaries, corporate ladders and dreams for the sake of the Kingdom. They are leaving fishing nets and family to help reach. God has already called us all. Mat 28:19 is our Commission. All of us. Some have felt God pull them, and I think for those, specific training with how to read, interpret and apply the Word of God are critical. You don't need a Bible School degree to love someone, to pray for someone, to operate in the supernatural, but if you plan to teach, disciple or lead a group of people, you should at least have a strong understand of the textbook for the course.
Besides, even a preacher's income whether Bible school trained or not doesn't change. The purpose of schooling doesn't change one's desire to minister, it only enhances the calling. Paul was no dummy.
It would in my opinion be wrong for an Apostolic Pastor to do such a thing. Preaching these people are lost or at best only partly saved and going to them for deeper learning? No.
Its a shame and disgrace that Apostolic Churches are so shallow they have to pay their adversaries to teach them.
Thank you Michael The Disciple! I posted this thread anticipating just your reaction but to my dismay sensibile reasoning prevailed and until you no one was up in arms over an ultra con Oneness Pentecostal preacher sitting at the feet of trinitarian teachers.
Surely there are more folks out there than you who will stand up for the belief that Oneness folks cannot learn anything from trinitarians! That is one of the foundation principles of old time Oneness Pentecost in the latter 20th and beginning 21st centiuries.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
Linear Mode
