Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Please submit Origen's exegesis for examination. Would love to read it.

Of course, in your book, Origen wasn't even saved!!

Oh my land....Are you saying that you didn't even know that Origen was the originator of the "Allegorical Method"? And, it's not "my book"...it's God's Book! Sorry Jeffrey...try again!

And, of course, silly rabbit, no one is saying to not accept the phrase you have produced on this thread 1,000,000,000,000,000 times. We are asking you to decide the meaning of what is being in said... in context! That's it. Not a lot to that. So as much as you get red-faced screaming "NOT WITH... can't you idiots read!" it's going to do no good. Red Herron. Straw man. You pick the "logical fallacy" that applies.... rightly handling the Word of truth. Not using a person's letter as a legal code to take a phrase and declare it's meaning "literal" without identifying the "literal context" of what is being said.

So, I shouldn't interpret Paul's instructions to Timothy, which were inspired by the Holy Spirit, as "literal"???? Does this go for the passage that says that "God was manifest in the flesh...."? Is this also non-literal? Jeffrey, you're a hoot!

And just because someone quotes a verse many times, does this invalidate the force of the passage? You fella's just refuse to get it huh....'round & 'round she goes!

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

So, I shouldn't interpret Paul's instructions to Timothy, which were inspired by the Holy Spirit, as "literal"???? Does this go for the passage that says that "God was manifest in the flesh...."? Is this also non-literal? Jeffrey, you're a hoot!

And just because someone quotes a verse many times, does this invalidate the force of the passage? You fella's just refuse to get it huh....'round & 'round she goes!

What does "literal" mean to you in terms of exegesis? That it can't be exegeted? That it means only what presuppositions you bring to the Text?

When you say "literal" so proudly, what are you meaning?

When Jesus says tells us to take up our cross and follow Him, what does that mean? Literally? When Jesus says we must be perfect, what does that mean? Any exegesis needed?

You must be careful when you confuse "literal" as being the opposite of allegorical or as something meaning non-exegeted. When Paul says "not with gold," you must allow the entire paragraph, section or letter to speak. It's literal gold, but what's the point here? What's the purpose here? Those exegetical basics inform our suppositions about what the "literal" text mean. When one says something isn't literal, they aren't always saying allegorical.

And when I said "your book" that wasn't literal

[Truthseeker]

Anyone gonna answer RDP question, is costly apparel ok?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Anyone gonna answer RDP question, is costly apparel ok?

To re-create the scene, if someone is gathering at worship to flaunt wealth, social position, to otherwise marginalize other believers -- it's wrong. It isn't right. The reason jewlery is discussed at all is because that's what these women were doing. They wore it on their hair, ears, arms, clothing.

On the other hand, black cultures and black churches are big with vibrant colors, fun, decorative outfits, etc... Not sure I can make the application across the board. But we COULD use the same principle...

What this meant to the audience it was written to is not the same issue today (though it could be).... but the principles are universal.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Socialite

To re-create the scene, if someone is gathering at worship to flaunt wealth, social position, to otherwise marginalize other believers -- it's wrong. It isn't right. The reason jewlery is discussed at all is because that's what these women were doing. They wore it on their hair, ears, arms, clothing.

On the other hand, black cultures and black churches are big with vibrant colors, fun, decorative outfits, etc... Not sure I can make the application across the board. But we COULD use the same principle...

What this meant to the audience it was written to is not the same issue today (though it could be).... but the principles are universal.

No offense, but that doesn't answer if ok or not to wear costly apparel????

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

No offense, but that doesn't answer if ok or not to wear costly apparel????

I believe he did answer your question. Read it again.

And, at the end of the day, maybe it's the wrong question??

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I believe he did answer your question. Read it again.

And, at the end of the day, maybe it's the wrong question??

Geeeee...go figure, "wrong question" !

[Cindy]

I still like jewelry. It's pretty. I like pretty things. God made the metals and jewels that jewelry is made from, why would He not like it?

[Truthseeker]

How bout both you just answer each others question?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

How bout both you just answer each others question?

Surely you jest. I've been answering, but will also answer anything, and simply want this one question answered. Really!