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Originally Posted by Michlow

What I am starting to think is that I type real actual words and that what people see is "wah wa wah wahwa wah wa wah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah"

Unfortunately it seems that way.

If you disagree with the concepts:

1. if you don't have a preacher to rule over your life you will go to hell
2. if you don't obey everything you are told by a preacher whether or not it's backed up by scripture you will go to hell.
3. if you don't go to service every time the door is open you will go to hell.
etc

then you are labelled as a preacher hater. Some have said that they don't want blind obedience yet they want obedience to what they say regardless.

But it's ok for preachers to hate saints who have beards (male), saints who wear pants (female), saints who .... whatever the rule of the day?

I believe that the 5-fold ministry is for the maturing of the saints, etc. But preacher isn't in the 5-fold ministry.

There are some:
Apostles
Prophets
Pastors
Evangelists
Teachers

Now if you notice it's ALL those that worked TOGETHER to mature the saint -- not just one -- the preacher.


The scripture used over and over again here Rom 10 is used out of context to what is being discussed. Paul was speaking of Israel and the fact that they had heard the Gospel through preaching. This does not mean that if you are not ruled by a preacher that you are lost because you will have no faith. This is the initial hearing of the Gospel.