What is the First Death? - Page 2

*AQuietPlace* · #11 10-29-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

I always assummed it was physical death of our bodies.

Ditto.

pelathais · #12 10-29-2009, 06:56 PM

I suspect Mike may have been a bit coy with that.

First we "die" out to sin. Then we live overcoming lives until we taste of the natural death. Then, the Judgment.

Praxeas · #13 10-29-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The first death is physical death. The second death is destruction in the lake of fire.

agreed

Esther · #14 10-29-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

I suspect Mike may have been a bit coy with that.

First we "die" out to sin. Then we live overcoming lives until we taste of the natural death. Then, the Judgment.

But a sinner may not die out to sin. Then what?

Esther · #15 10-29-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The first death is physical death. The second death is destruction in the lake of fire.

That would be my take, as all die unless they make it in the rapture first.

Not all die to sin.

pelathais · #16 10-29-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

But a sinner may not die out to sin. Then what?

I didn't take him to be offering a dogmatic answer. Just a sort of fun and coy answer. I assume he's aware that all men die. But to make a point about the importance of the spiritual death, he sort of throws a pebble at our windows and gallops off.

mfblume · #17 10-30-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

But a sinner may not die out to sin. Then what?

Those not in the first resurrection experience the second death, the lake of fire.

mfblume · #18 10-30-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

Well Jesus died but when did we die?

I know we are buried in baptism. Do you consider that to be death?

Indeed! We are baptized into His death, so we are crucified with Him, dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God. So, we present ourselves to God as those alive from the dead. Baptism is death.

The idea that repentance is death, baptism is burial and Spirit is resurrection is not biblical, and often has taken the place of what the Bible actually said in baptism being into DEATH.

mfblume · #19 10-30-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

And I know Paul said "I die daily" repentance.

Paul was not talking about repentance in his I DIE DAILY statement in 1 Cor 15. That is a common misunderstanding. He was speaking of physically risking his neck every day. He spoke of the jeopardy of his life in peril due to ministry. 1 Cor 15's die daily is the same sort of death 2 Cor 4 mentions when Paul said his perils were like death of Christ in his body so the life of Christ might be manifest in his ministry to others.