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10-31-2009, 09:53 PM
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Re: Lot's Revelation of Grace
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The verse you posted is not a list of sins that keep people from heaven it is a list of lifestyles.
Practise (prassontes). Prassō is the verb for habitual practice (our very word, in fact), not poieō for occasional doing. The habit of these sins is proof that one is not in the Kingdom of God and will not inherit it.
Word Pictures in the NT by A.T. Robertson
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That's interesting that you would say this. I once heard someone say about David, "King David committed "adultery". He was not an 'adulterer'."
The definition is the same for both, so I don't know if that has any credence. I just thought about it when I read your post.
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10-31-2009, 09:59 PM
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Re: Lot's Revelation of Grace
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The verse you posted is not a list of sins that keep people from heaven it is a list of lifestyles.
Practise (prassontes). Prassō is the verb for habitual practice (our very word, in fact), not poieō for occasional doing. The habit of these sins is proof that one is not in the Kingdom of God and will not inherit it.
Word Pictures in the NT by A.T. Robertson
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So habitual practice of sin will keep us out of the kingdom of God but an occasional sin now and then is okay and doesn't need to be repented of? What exactly are you saying, Baron? Can we knowingly sin and still be right with God without repentance?
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10-31-2009, 10:03 PM
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Re: Lot's Revelation of Grace
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So habitual practice of sin will keep us out of the kingdom of God but an occasional sin now and then is okay and doesn't need to be repented of? What exactly are you saying, Baron? Can we knowingly sin and still be right with God without repentance?
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Living a lifestyle of sin is different than committing a sin. The Scripture bears that out.
I am sorry if that doesn't fit the theology that has been taught that one can easily lose their salvation. My salvation is not so fragile that I can stumble and lose it.
Actually I am not sorry, I was very happy when I discovered fear based salvation was a man made doctrine and not one taught by Scripture.
I don't kick my kids out for making mistakes either and He is a better Father than I.
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10-31-2009, 10:11 PM
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Re: Lot's Revelation of Grace
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Living a lifestyle of sin is different than committing a sin. The Scripture bears that out.
I am sorry if that doesn't fit the theology that has been taught that one can easily lose their salvation. My salvation is not so fragile that I can stumble and lose it.
Actually I am not sorry, I was very happy when I discovered fear based salvation was a man made doctrine and not one taught by Scripture.
I don't kick my kids out for making mistakes either and He is a better Father than I.
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I agree that living a lifestyle of sin is different than committing a sin but can we knowingly sin and still be right with God without repentance?
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To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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10-31-2009, 10:14 PM
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Re: Lot's Revelation of Grace
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I agree that living a lifestyle of sin is different than committing a sin but can we knowingly sin and still be right with God without repentance?
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Is repentance an attitude or a confessional?
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10-31-2009, 10:16 PM
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Re: Lot's Revelation of Grace
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Is repentance an attitude or a confessional?
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Are you serious? This isn't a difficult question. Why are you hedging?
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10-31-2009, 10:16 PM
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Re: Lot's Revelation of Grace
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I agree that living a lifestyle of sin is different than committing a sin but can we knowingly sin and still be right with God without repentance?
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Are you saying one constantly switches from saved to unsaved in their walk with God? How long can before a prayer of repentance is needed? Are you lost until you do?
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10-31-2009, 10:18 PM
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Re: Lot's Revelation of Grace
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Are you serious? This isn't a difficult question. Why are you hedging?
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No hedging at all. I have been very clear being less than perfect is a sin. I find myself there everyday. If that constitutes loss of salvation, I would walk away today.
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10-31-2009, 10:22 PM
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Re: Lot's Revelation of Grace
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Are you saying one constantly switches from saved to unsaved in their walk with God? How long can before a prayer of repentance is needed? Are you lost until you do?
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What is sin, Baron? What does sin do with our relationship with God? We should repent immediately upon realization that we have sinned. God is gracious and gives us a space to repent in which He deals with our hearts to convict us and lead us to repentance but what does that say about the heart of the one who knows they have sinned and does not repent?
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10-31-2009, 10:26 PM
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Re: Lot's Revelation of Grace
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No hedging at all. I have been very clear being less than perfect is a sin. I find myself there everyday. If that constitutes loss of salvation, I would walk away today.
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But are you striving against sin? Are you desiring and attempting to walk in the light as he is in the light? If you slip up, do you ask for forgiveness and help to overcome your faults?
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To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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