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Baron1710 · #81 11-01-2009, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I have a husband who was saved from a trinitarian church and baptized in Jesus' name and he knew people who believed both as well. He had a Sunday School teacher who believed in oneness doctrine (and taught in a trinitarian church), and she was the first one who introduced him to the truth. His dad is so dogmatic, that he "disowned" Jeff for awhile, told him he'd rather he was part of the Mormons or Jehovah's witnesses than "Jesus-only" and I didn't meet his parents until our wedding, about three years after Jeff was converted.

The way some of you talk, there was absolutely no reason for my husband to convert.

My mother was converted from being a Baptist; she was praying and read I Timothy 3:16, which opened her eyes to a new understanding of God.

If someone wants to hold a different view of the Godhead that's fine. But you are right I don't see people being saved from Trinitarianism, or from being Baptist. Everyone I know was saved from sin and maybe this is a news flash but He doesn't need you to understand how the Godhead works to do that, or take you out of a baptist church to save you.

What about the SS teacher was he lost too, since he went to the wrong church?

mizpeh · #82 11-01-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kjhouk

So we have liberty but we don't have liberty?

I personally think a lot of damage has been done by appealing to the "weaker Christian" argument. From what I understand of Paul's writing, he seems to say that the liberty remains, but we sometimes suspend our liberty for the good of a fellow Christian, while in their presence, to not tempt them to violate their conscience. BUT at the same time, good teaching should bring those weaker Christians to a more mature position where they are also able to enjoy liberty in what they eat, drink, and which days they celebrate.

In our zeal to not offend the weaker, we fail to challenge and teach them toward maturity.

Yeah, blame it on the apostle Paul.

mizpeh · #83 11-01-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

If someone wants to hold a different view of the Godhead that's fine. But you are right I don't see people being saved from Trinitarianism, or from being Baptist. Everyone I know was saved from sin and maybe this is a news flash but He doesn't need you to understand how the Godhead works to do that, or take you out of a baptist church to save you.

What about the SS teacher was he lost too, since he went to the wrong church?

But God does want to be worshipped in truth. John 4:24 Once you know the truth, it is important to worship God in truth.

MissBrattified · #84 11-01-2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

If someone wants to hold a different view of the Godhead that's fine. But you are right I don't see people being saved from Trinitarianism, or from being Baptist. Everyone I know was saved from sin and maybe this is a news flash but He doesn't need you to understand how the Godhead works to do that, or take you out of a baptist church to save you.

What about the SS teacher was he lost too, since he went to the wrong church?

Well, since I believe people need to be filled with the Holy Ghost, evidenced by speaking in tongues, and be baptized in Jesus' name in order to be saved, then we do have a different view on salvation.

I didn't say my mother was saved "from being Baptist"; she was Baptist--she was raised that way, but she most certainly was NOT a Christian, e.g., someone who was actively serving God. She not only was saved (from sin) in an Apostolic church, but she also was introduced to a clear understanding of God.

I never once said, though, that people are lost if they attend the "wrong church."

It isn't where you go to worship; it's WHO you worship, WHAT you believe, and HOW you obey the Word that matters.

MissBrattified · #85 11-01-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

No, you didn't. You started throwing stuff like, "You should probably figure out why that bugs you so much" as if I've got a problem and then you essentially accused me of calling you a liar. If a person expresses surprise at something you say, as I did, and then you turn the molehill of surprise into the mountain of you being called a "liar", then you're stratching things way too far for me. I'm not gonna participate in that nonsense. If you wanna have a civil discussion, fine. But if you're gonna throw the personal semi-insults, I'm not interested. I get tired of it.

And I don't even know what the question was. As soon as you started all the verbal daggers, I checked out.

Yankees in 6 is my prediction. They have CC Sabathia going three times and I think it's just gonna be too much for the Phillies.

Pffffffttttttt....Baron accused the wrong person of whining.

Traci · #86 11-01-2009, 06:04 PM

I went to a AOG church a couple weeks ago and the pastor got up and said we are going to have a baptismal service today after church and this is how we are going to baptise--in the name of Jesus Christ in whom dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily the father, son and holy ghost. Then he said in explaination, that Matt 28:19 says to baptise in the NAME of the father, son and holy ghost and he than asked what is the name--every one said Jesus.

I believe that this AOG pastor believes Oneness, what do you all think?

MissBrattified · #87 11-01-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Traci

I went to a AOG church a couple weeks ago and the pastor got up and said we are going to have a baptismal service today after church and this is how we are going to baptise--in the name of Jesus Christ in whom dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily the father, son and holy ghost. Then he said in explaination, that Matt 28:19 says to baptise in the NAME of the father, son and holy ghost and he than asked what is the name--every one said Jesus.

I believe that this AOG pastor believes Oneness, what do you all think?

Sounds like he believes in baptizing in Jesus' name, at the very least.

misspresley · #88 11-02-2009, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Well, since I believe people need to be filled with the Holy Ghost, evidenced by speaking in tongues, and be baptized in Jesus' name in order to be saved, then we do have a different view on salvation.

I didn't say my mother was saved "from being Baptist"; she was Baptist--she was raised that way, but she most certainly was NOT a Christian, e.g., someone who was actively serving God. She not only was saved (from sin) in an Apostolic church, but she also was introduced to a clear understanding of God.

Bold statement - and this is also where I came from over 38 years ago - You can only believe what has been revealed to you. I NEVER heard of the baptism of the Holy Ghost or Jesus' name baptism until I started dating a young man (who became my husband). When truth is revealed by God, then you're responsible to accept or reject that truth. I am the granddaughter of a Southern Baptist pastor who did not believe women should wear pants - I have no memory of my grandmother EVER wearing anything but a dress - sleeveless in the hot summers, but a dress none-the-less!!!! I remember as a child, around 9 or 10, going to the front of the church, with tears of conviction and giving my heart to Him - and being baptized. I strayed during my teen years, but after I was married, I responded to the truth, was baptized in His Name and received the Holy Ghost a year later. Have never strayed since and I'm grateful for the truth He revealed to me!