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11-16-2009, 05:10 PM
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Re: Pator Toney Visited
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Originally Posted by Sherri
We have never taught that you had to speak in tongues to go to heaven, but that it is a gift for everyone. In the 2 weeks that I was gone to Brazil, we had 26 people get the Holy Ghost at our Jackson church! Four on Sunday morning in the Edge, seven on a Wed. night, and 15 in our youth conference. You don't lose the "fire" unless you just don't want the fire. Personally, I don't ever want to lose it!!
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Its a canard to say if you don't force feed it to everyone on their first visit to try to hit all 3 bases, before they are ready, people aren't going to seek the baptism of the Spirit when they are ready and informed.
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11-16-2009, 05:32 PM
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Re: Pator Toney Visited
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So where is the impetus for folks to seek that Holy Ghost fire experience?
How would one keep that fire alive and burning bright in their lives individually and church collectively without the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues?
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I don't think anyone should be seeking an experience.
Seek God.
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11-16-2009, 06:46 PM
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Re: Pator Toney Visited
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
my church yesterday and preached the Sun service.
Bro Howell was there the Sunday before last.
In both sermons, there were elements of encouragement for us to "not change the doctrine."
...I am torn. I couldn't be a part of a "dead" church-- I'd just as soon not go.
But how do I get around the the Ethiopian and the Philipian jailer's conversion experiences?
I don't want my belief system to be one that adds to the Bible, but I KNOW what I have experienced and what I have been taught and what I hear repeatedly-- from friends and family alike.
I used to get it, a long time ago-- now I don't.
I want to be able to embrace my Biblical faith and Biblical experiences with my mind and my heart.
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Fortunately we don't have to judge the "Ethiopians" and the "Philippians" among us today.
You can still experience the fire your heart desires without cutting off the bonds of Christian fraternity you share with those who don't quite see it the same way. Worship with all your heart. Then encourage and receive encouragement from the "eunuchs" and the "jailers."
I'm not sure I know Bro. Toney nor which Bro. Howell you refer to - but I'm willing to bet they have sought and received a great deal of encouragement and instruction over the years from preachers and writers who don't share the same doctrine.
If it's no big deal to them, you shouldn't worry about it either. Just my humble opinoin.
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11-16-2009, 07:25 PM
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Re: Pator Toney Visited
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I believe folks are fully saved at faith/repentence and baptism.
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I don't, full salvation means justification, regeneration, sanctification, glorification. That is a process, for some it happens quickly, others over time.
What I do believe and I think scripture bears this out as one walks in faith that there is salvation/saved, but they may lack having their sins buried or washed away, or may lack new life by the Spirit.
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11-16-2009, 07:35 PM
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Re: Pator Toney Visited
Grab a jug of water and get alone on a mountain for a few days and seek God. 
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11-16-2009, 07:51 PM
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Re: Pator Toney Visited
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Grab a jug of water and get alone on a mountain for a few days and seek God. |
And after you have wallowed in your self focus, get down that mountain and do the work of the kingdom. Seek out the broken and downtrodden, and present the simplicity of the gospel to them, living out Philippians 4.8.(:-D)
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11-16-2009, 09:48 PM
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Re: Pator Toney Visited
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Originally Posted by Sherri
We have never taught that you had to speak in tongues to go to heaven, but that it is a gift for everyone. In the 2 weeks that I was gone to Brazil, we had 26 people get the Holy Ghost at our Jackson church! Four on Sunday morning in the Edge, seven on a Wed. night, and 15 in our youth conference. You don't lose the "fire" unless you just don't want the fire. Personally, I don't ever want to lose it!!
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Oh wow!!! I can't wait for the day that I get to write that about SIWC!! We did have two baptisms on Sunday! How awesome what God is doing!!!!
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11-17-2009, 06:56 AM
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Re: Pator Toney Visited
Apocyrpha you did not put in BOLD this part.......Mar 16:18 "they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover
It seems you tongues talkers will quote mark 16:16 all day long but skip over verse 18 lets see ya handle some snakes and drink some poison with those tongues then we will talk...
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11-17-2009, 07:01 AM
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Re: Pator Toney Visited
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Apocyrpha you did not put in BOLD this part.......Mar 16:18 "they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover
It seems you tongues talkers will quote mark 16:16 all day long but skip over verse 18 lets see ya handle some snakes and drink some poison with those tongues then we will talk...
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Even Jesus rebuked Satan when he quoted the OT not to put God to the test, or essentially to force his hand in a situation. And Paul was bitten by a snake and he shrugged it off as im sure other Christians have done.
Besides, the extended ending of the book of Mark is a disputed verse.
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11-17-2009, 07:09 AM
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Re: Pator Toney Visited
O so you beleive the bible is not the infalliable word of God?
Last edited by KWSS1976; 11-17-2009 at 07:13 AM.
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