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Old 11-30-2009, 09:00 PM
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Christmas/Holidays

What's the big deal about Christmas?

I take my wife to eat on valentine's day, it's not because I believe cupid shot her with an arrow.

I eat Turkey on Thanksgiving, it has nothing to do with pilgrims and Indians.

I shoot fireworks off at 4th of July, I don't worship the emperor/president.

I cook a burger on Memorial Day, I don't agree with killing people.

I cook another one on Labor Day, doesn't mean I'm greddy for gain.

I celebrate Easter,but I don't commit adultery because of the fertility God.

So many things I find to simply be cultural, not religious. To me there are religious aspects to Christmas and Easter. I wouldn't say Christmas is a religious holiday. It is a secular holiday, however one which prominently features Jesus Christ. Easter is the closest thing we have to a religious holiday (unless you want to call the day of Pentecost a religious holiday ).

I think tis and so much more simply fits into the Romans 14 argument for Christian liberty. What say ye?
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Old 11-30-2009, 09:08 PM
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What's the big deal about Christmas?

I take my wife to eat on valentine's day, it's not because I believe cupid shot her with an arrow.

I eat Turkey on Thanksgiving, it has nothing to do with pilgrims and Indians.

I shoot fireworks off at 4th of July, I don't worship the emperor/president.

I cook a burger on Memorial Day, I don't agree with killing people.

I cook another one on Labor Day, doesn't mean I'm greddy for gain.

I celebrate Easter,but I don't commit adultery because of the fertility God.

So many things I find to simply be cultural, not religious. To me there are religious aspects to Christmas and Easter. I wouldn't say Christmas is a religious holiday. It is a secular holiday, however one which prominently features Jesus Christ. Easter is the closest thing we have to a religious holiday (unless you want to call the day of Pentecost a religious holiday ).

I think tis and so much more simply fits into the Romans 14 argument for Christian liberty. What say ye?
We certainly do NOT worship trees in this house.

(But we do decorate one and put it in the front window with lights twinkling! )

I just feel that I am in charge of how a day--any day--is focused. If I happen to be in New Orleans during Mardi Gras--I will not be participating, but I MIGHT have a slice of King Cake.

Every day in this house honors God, first and foremost, and any holiday we celebrate is centered around Him in some way--even birthdays.

If some people feel they have to avoid certain celebrations, that is them, and that is their stumbling block. I have no desire to foist Christmas upon them. However, they shouldn't look around at other Christians who celebrate and judge them as pagans and heathens, especially when many people focus on charity and family more than ever at this time of year--both very good things.
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Old 11-30-2009, 09:29 PM
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Buncha lousy Pagans!!!!!!!


We just finished putting up our Pagan Tree...and it looks great...
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Old 11-30-2009, 09:52 PM
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I think tis and so much more simply fits into the Romans 14 argument for Christian liberty. What say ye?
I agree
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Old 11-30-2009, 10:05 PM
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1 Hear the word that the Lord speaks to you, O house of Israel.
2 Thus says the Lord:
Do not learn the way of the nations,
or be dismayed at the signs of the heavens;
for the nations are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the peoples are false:
a tree from the forest is cut down,
and worked with an axe by the hands of an artisan;
4 people deck it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so that it cannot move.
5 Their idols are like scarecrows in a cucumber field,
and they cannot speak;
they have to be carried,
for they cannot walk.
Do not be afraid of them,
for they cannot do evil,
nor is it in them to do good.
6 There is none like you, O Lord;
you are great, and your name is great in might.
7 Who would not fear you, O King of the nations?
For that is your due;
among all the wise ones of the nations
and in all their kingdoms
there is no one like you.
8 They are both stupid and foolish;
the instruction given by idols
is no better than wood!
9 Beaten silver is brought from Tarshish,
and gold from Uphaz.
They are the work of the artisan and of the hands of the goldsmith;
their clothing is blue and purple;
they are all the product of skilled workers.
10 But the Lord is the true God;
he is the living God and the everlasting King.
At his wrath the earth quakes,
and the nations cannot endure his indignation.
Jeremiah 10:1-10

10 But miserable, with their hopes set on dead things, are those
who give the name ‘gods’ to the works of human hands,
gold and silver fashioned with skill,
and likenesses of animals,
or a useless stone, the work of an ancient hand.
11 A skilled woodcutter may saw down a tree easy to handle
and skilfully strip off all its bark,
and then with pleasing workmanship
make a useful vessel that serves life’s needs,
12 and burn the cast-off pieces of his work
to prepare his food, and eat his fill.
13 But a cast-off piece from among them, useful for nothing,
a stick crooked and full of knots,
he takes and carves with care in his leisure,
and shapes it with skill gained in idleness;*
he forms it in the likeness of a human being,
14 or makes it like some worthless animal,
giving it a coat of red paint and colouring its surface red
and covering every blemish in it with paint;
15 then he makes a suitable niche for it,
and sets it in the wall, and fastens it there with iron.
16 He takes thought for it, so that it may not fall,
because he knows that it cannot help itself,
for it is only an image and has need of help.
17 When he prays about possessions and his marriage and children,
he is not ashamed to address a lifeless thing.
18 For health he appeals to a thing that is weak;
for life he prays to a thing that is dead;
for aid he entreats a thing that is utterly inexperienced;
for a prosperous journey, a thing that cannot take a step;
19 for money-making and work and success with his hands
he asks strength of a thing whose hands have no strength.
Wisdom 13:10-19

3 Our God is in the heavens;
he does whatever he pleases.
4 Their idols are silver and gold,
the work of human hands.
5 They have mouths, but do not speak;
eyes, but do not see.
6 They have ears, but do not hear;
noses, but do not smell.
7 They have hands, but do not feel;
feet, but do not walk;
they make no sound in their throats.
8 Those who make them are like them;
so are all who trust in them.
9 O Israel, trust in the Lord!
He is their help and their shield.
Psalm 115:3-9
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Old 11-30-2009, 10:54 PM
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What's the big deal about Christmas?
Many in the world celebrate Christmas, however, I do not. To me it is just another day, there is no big deal in my household. I believe what I believe about Christmas (which is that it is a pagan celebration); regardless of others trying to assign it as Christ's birth. They celebrate it and I don't; therefore, it is what it is; life goes on for everyone. Doesn't make me or them any better than the other. (However, some feel it does...ridiculous).


I take my wife to eat on valentine's day, it's not because I believe cupid shot her with an arrow.

I eat Turkey on Thanksgiving, it has nothing to do with pilgrims and Indians.
I love ham, not really a turkey gal; just made myself some soup with my ham bone...(I know that was wayyyy off topic).


I shoot fireworks off at 4th of July, I don't worship the emperor/president.
Not quite sure where the emperor/president came into play on this one. This holiday is to celebrate our freedom in the United States.


I cook a burger on Memorial Day, I don't agree with killing people.
Memorial Day is about remember those who have fought and fallen in wars. It is not about the killing of people. I would hope that no Christian or anyone else for that matter doesn't agree with killing people. However, war is not wrong and death comes with war. War is not un-biblical.


I cook another one on Labor Day, doesn't mean I'm greddy for gain.
Hmm..interesting now that I think of it I never do anything for Labor Day.


I celebrate Easter,but I don't commit adultery because of the fertility God.
I do nothing for Easter and put that in the same category as Christmas.


So many things I find to simply be cultural, not religious. To me there are religious aspects to Christmas and Easter. I wouldn't say Christmas is a religious holiday. It is a secular holiday, however one which prominently features Jesus Christ. Easter is the closest thing we have to a religious holiday (unless you want to call the day of Pentecost a religious holiday ). There are many things that are celebrated that are cultural, however, for many holidays that are celebrated they are both cultural and religious. Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, Valentines, and probably other holidays that I'm unaware of.

I think tis and so much more simply fits into the Romans 14 argument for Christian liberty. What say ye?

Verse 10 sums up my feelings "But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ". So there you go. People shouldn't get all riled up every December, because this disagreement will continue until the good Lord takes us out of this world. I know plenty of people the celebrate holidays that I am adamantly opposed to, but they know that and they respect that; just as I respect them. Nothing worth dis-fellowshipping over, as some people take it to the extreme and become ugly spirited over this sort of thing. Bottom line in all things seek the face of God and he will direct you.
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Old 11-30-2009, 11:12 PM
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What's the big deal about Christmas?
Many in the world celebrate Christmas, however, I do not. To me it is just another day, there is no big deal in my household. I believe what I believe about Christmas (which is that it is a pagan celebration); regardless of others trying to assign it as Christ's birth. They celebrate it and I don't; therefore, it is what it is; life goes on for everyone. Doesn't make me or them any better than the other. (However, some feel it does...ridiculous).


I take my wife to eat on valentine's day, it's not because I believe cupid shot her with an arrow.

I eat Turkey on Thanksgiving, it has nothing to do with pilgrims and Indians.
I love ham, not really a turkey gal; just made myself some soup with my ham bone...(I know that was wayyyy off topic).


I shoot fireworks off at 4th of July, I don't worship the emperor/president.
Not quite sure where the emperor/president came into play on this one. This holiday is to celebrate our freedom in the United States.


I cook a burger on Memorial Day, I don't agree with killing people.
Memorial Day is about remember those who have fought and fallen in wars. It is not about the killing of people. I would hope that no Christian or anyone else for that matter doesn't agree with killing people. However, war is not wrong and death comes with war. War is not un-biblical.


I cook another one on Labor Day, doesn't mean I'm greddy for gain.
Hmm..interesting now that I think of it I never do anything for Labor Day.


I celebrate Easter,but I don't commit adultery because of the fertility God.
I do nothing for Easter and put that in the same category as Christmas.


So many things I find to simply be cultural, not religious. To me there are religious aspects to Christmas and Easter. I wouldn't say Christmas is a religious holiday. It is a secular holiday, however one which prominently features Jesus Christ. Easter is the closest thing we have to a religious holiday (unless you want to call the day of Pentecost a religious holiday ). There are many things that are celebrated that are cultural, however, for many holidays that are celebrated they are both cultural and religious. Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, Valentines, and probably other holidays that I'm unaware of.

I think tis and so much more simply fits into the Romans 14 argument for Christian liberty. What say ye?

Verse 10 sums up my feelings "But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ". So there you go. People shouldn't get all riled up every December, because this disagreement will continue until the good Lord takes us out of this world. I know plenty of people the celebrate holidays that I am adamantly opposed to, but they know that and they respect that; just as I respect them. Nothing worth dis-fellowshipping over, as some people take it to the extreme and become ugly spirited over this sort of thing. Bottom line in all things seek the face of God and he will direct you.
Some of what I followed with are from ridiculous arguments I've heard against celebrating any holidays. For example, the emperor/president/empire argument is used by JW's as a reason why no true Christian should celebrate 4th of July.
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Old 12-01-2009, 05:34 AM
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I think Christmas is mostly a family holiday anymore. It is really one day a year that my family all gets together and spends time with each other. That is why it is a great holiday.

I get why some people lose their minds and think it is horrible. Yeah...over 20 centuries ago the holiday was all about paganism. This is almost 2010 though. At some point people should realize that although it may have been meant for paganm worship 2000+ years ago...that is no longer the case. Get over it.

We have 3 trees up, lights everywhere, stockings over the fireplace, etc. Live it up. It's the happiest time of the year!
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What's the big deal about Christmas?

I take my wife to eat on valentine's day, it's not because I believe cupid shot her with an arrow.

I eat Turkey on Thanksgiving, it has nothing to do with pilgrims and Indians.

I shoot fireworks off at 4th of July, I don't worship the emperor/president.

I cook a burger on Memorial Day, I don't agree with killing people.

I cook another one on Labor Day, doesn't mean I'm greddy for gain.

I celebrate Easter,but I don't commit adultery because of the fertility God.

So many things I find to simply be cultural, not religious. To me there are religious aspects to Christmas and Easter. I wouldn't say Christmas is a religious holiday. It is a secular holiday, however one which prominently features Jesus Christ. Easter is the closest thing we have to a religious holiday (unless you want to call the day of Pentecost a religious holiday ).

I think tis and so much more simply fits into the Romans 14 argument for Christian liberty. What say ye?
It is the mixture.

To knowingly hold a celebration of the true God on a date set aside for a fertility goddess is to mix the true worship of God with paganism. God has always hated the mixture.

He said he would rather we be hot or cold but because we are lukewarm he will spew us out of his mouth.

When did Christ die? Not on Easter (which is a derivative of Ishtar... we even call the name of the pagan goddess in the name of (or in place of) the true God). On Passover. But Christianity continues to perpetuate a pagan date, name & rituals.
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It's the happiest time of the year!
Actually there are more suicides this time of year than any other.
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