How Could they not know?

Esther · #1 01-05-2010, 02:57 PM

Have you ever wondered how the devils did not know that Jesus was the Messiah?

He was the only one born of a virgin.

He was the only one forgiving sins.

Although some prophets of old, raised the dead and did some healings. But Jesus had a ministry of healing all kinds of diseases and casting out demons.

He even had to rebuke the demons from disclosing who He was when the Gaderene was delivered of the many demons he was possesed with.

Knowing all of this how could they have not known Jesus was the Messiah?

Do you think God blinded them to who He was?

Michael The Disciple · #2 01-05-2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

Have you ever wondered how the devils did not know that Jesus was the Messiah?

He was the only one born of a virgin.

He was the only one forgiving sins.

Although some prophets of old, raised the dead and did some healings. But Jesus had a ministry of healing all kinds of diseases and casting out demons.

He even had to rebuke the demons from disclosing who He was when the Gaderene was delivered of the many demons he was possesed with.

Knowing all of this how could they have not known Jesus was the Messiah?

Do you think God blinded them to who He was?

It seems they did know?

Esther · #3 01-05-2010, 03:00 PM

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It seems they did know?

Why do you say that. Isn't there a scripture that says if they had known who He was they would not have crucified him?

Aquila · #4 01-05-2010, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

Why do you say that. Isn't there a scripture that says if they had known who He was they would not have crucified him?

I believe the Scripture teaches...

I Corinthians 2:8
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

I believe this refers to the human authorities of Christ's day... not devils. Hell knew who Jesus was and did its part to war against him... but it was mankind who didn't know who Christ was. Had they known who Jesus was they would have surrendered to his spiritual Lordship and not crucified the Lord of Glory.

missourimary · #5 01-05-2010, 03:23 PM

Interesting take, Aquila. I always heard that it was talking about the devils... not that they didn't know who Jesus was, but rather that they didn't know that killing Him would not stop Him, but rather start something unstoppable!

Pressing-On · #6 01-05-2010, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I believe the Scripture teaches...

I Corinthians 2:8
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

I believe this refers to the human authorities of Christ's day... not devils. Hell knew who Jesus was and did its part to war against him... but it was mankind who didn't know who Christ was. Had they known who Jesus was they would have surrendered to his spiritual Lordship and not crucified the Lord of Glory.

I agree as "archon" also means judges, magistrates and members of the Sanhedrin - according to Vine's.

1 Corinthians 2:8 "Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory."

This is speaking of acts of men and so it would only make sense it was talking about the very people who caused the crucifixion to take place. That wouldn't be the devil.

jfrog · #7 01-05-2010, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by missourimary

Interesting take, Aquila. I always heard that it was talking about the devils... not that they didn't know who Jesus was, but rather that they didn't know that killing Him would not stop Him, but rather start something unstoppable!

I think your idea is probably the closest missouri. One of the earliest atonement theories in christianity was the ransom theory which had some element of trickery in it. In it the devils didn't know Christ would rise again in 3 days after his death so they gladly took him in place of humanity. They knew he was the Christ just not that he would resurrect. It kind of goes along with what happened to Aslan the lion in Narnia.

Praxeas · #8 01-05-2010, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

Why do you say that. Isn't there a scripture that says if they had known who He was they would not have crucified him?

It says that about the Jews, not the devils

Praxeas · #9 01-05-2010, 03:38 PM

1Co 2:6 Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away.
1Co 2:7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory.
1Co 2:8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co 2:9 But, as it is written, "What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him"--
1Co 2:10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God.
1Co 2:11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

BTW is Paul saying Jesus is God in calling Him the Lord of Glory?

jfrog · #10 01-05-2010, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

1Co 2:6 Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away.
1Co 2:7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory.
1Co 2:8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co 2:9 But, as it is written, "What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him"--
1Co 2:10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God.
1Co 2:11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

BTW is Paul saying Jesus is God in calling Him the Lord of Glory?

Nah Paul isn't calling Jesus God there. But I suppose that's just a matter of opinion on that one huh?

So what makes ya so sure it's speaking about the Jews? Though that is definately a possibility, is it a certainty?