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Old 04-24-2007, 01:15 PM
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If nature taught it, then men wouldn't be able to grow long hair. There also wouldn't be examples in scripture where men had long hair and it was acceptable, not shameful.
So we should just do away with Paul's writing in 1 Corinthians 11?
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Old 04-24-2007, 01:16 PM
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A man may have a full set of hair ,but it's wrong for a man to have a femine look or length to his hair, just like a woman should have a femine length to her hair.She should not have a masculine looking haircut.
Not I'm not a hardnoser ,but men and women should have a differeing length of hair.
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They had to change the sin factor and sinfulness of their hearts, not what they wore to temple.

I have actually heard salvation and conversion equated, with well that brother is wearing a suit and tie now, Sister so and so is now wearing a skirt.

Now in the greater context of modesty great, glad that person has their conscience awakened about modesty, decorum, but to equate salvation and health of a church body based on those small issues is to miss the larger picture.
Your comment to warrior was that Jesus became LIKE those He came to save. He disagreed, I disagree, and I still don't see that He did become LIKE those He saved. He became a man, yes; but, He didn't become "incarnate" into their society, dress, or behaviors that contradicted His holiness.
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Old 04-24-2007, 01:18 PM
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That is a nice place to shop for decent suits. I shopped there a few times back when I used to wear suits. Now I wear jeans and a t-shirt. It's cheaper.
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Old 04-24-2007, 01:19 PM
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I am by nature a person that is somewhat casual in dress. I tend to view people that are too "fancy" as pretentious and afraid to get their hands dirty.

Another problem I have with the whole church fashion show, is I believe that it creates a class distinction, causes people to spend too much money on clothes in trying to keep up with the jones', and takes the focus off the reason why we are there.

But like I said, I am a totally down to earth, what you see is what you get, trasparent kind of person, so I am sure I am totally biased in this.
Yeah -- it's an exception when I "dress up". Most of the time it's a dickie's button up, with jeans and $10 Doc Martin knock offs.
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Old 04-24-2007, 01:22 PM
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So we should just do away with Paul's writing in 1 Corinthians 11?
Why? Is headship not that important?

What about Paul's writings to slaves? Do we throw those away or can we also glean something from them? We might not apply the specifics to our lives, but there certainly are principles involved, no?


Most of the first five books of the Bible don't apply to us, but we glean from them all the same, don't we?

Also understand that Paul says IF for a reason.....as "IF it be a shame....."

Apparently, he was considering other cultures also.

And what does 'long hair' even mean? In some cultures, hair to the shoulders isn't long, but in others it is. A lot to consider.
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Old 04-24-2007, 01:23 PM
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Your comment to warrior was that Jesus became LIKE those He came to save. He disagreed, I disagree, and I still don't see that He did become LIKE those He saved. He became a man, yes; but, He didn't become "incarnate" into their society, dress, or behaviors that contradicted His holiness.
Then why, if he didn't look like everyone else, did Judas have to kiss him on the cheek to show the high priest which man he was?
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A man may have a full set of hair ,but it's wrong for a man to have a femine look or length to his hair, just like a woman should have a femine length to her hair.She should not have a masculine looking haircut.
Not I'm not a hardnoser ,but men and women should have a differeing length of hair.
While I can agree with you, is this thinking Biblical or cultural?
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Old 04-24-2007, 01:26 PM
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Your comment to warrior was that Jesus became LIKE those He came to save. He disagreed, I disagree, and I still don't see that He did become LIKE those He saved. He became a man, yes; but, He didn't become "incarnate" into their society, dress, or behaviors that contradicted His holiness.
When Paul became all things to all men, does that mean he adapted their society, behaviors, and dress?

And yes, Jesus did adapt to that. He was a Jew and lived according to Jewish law. He didn't live according to Gentile laws. His society, behavior, and dress was that of a Jew.
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Old 04-24-2007, 01:27 PM
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When Paul became all things to all men, does that mean he adapted their society, behaviors, and dress?

And yes, Jesus did adapt to that. He was a Jew and lived according to Jewish law. He didn't live according to Gentile laws. His society, behavior, and dress was that of a Jew.
Good point... I think we often forget that Jesus wasn't Christian, Pentecostal, nor Apostolic... he was Jewish.
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