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Old 04-24-2007, 02:14 PM
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And do the first two really matter?
Culterally Yes... Socially Yes... Spiritually No...
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HO... your view of God here is not correct..

He had dealt with Humanity since the beginning of Creation He KNEW humanity.. No adjustment needed...
While He is God and knows all things, He did have to adapt to being human. This is evident in things Jesus Himself said. He made statements referring to the Father instead of referring to Himself. He spoke about the Father being greater than He was. For someone being God, this had to be a huge adjustment. I'm not saying God struggled with the adjustment, but there was a reason He came as a human and not a jaguar or a tree.

As a human, He had to adapt to human ways and as a Jew, He had to adapt to that culture. As a man, though He was sinless, He had to adapt to the price humanity pays as the result of sin, meaning He had to endure suffering and pain more than just on the cross.
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And so we can boldly proclaim to Christian teens that they don't have to give into sexual temptation.
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Yes and thank God for marriage as Saint Paul said it's better to marry than burn.
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Well, technically..................that's another topic.


If God had to "adapt" to being human, then I don't think that man was 100% human as we proclaim Him to be. The man that was born in Bethlehem was born no differently than you or I, and I don't recall having to adapt to humanity.

I was born human and learned how to exist as a human over time -- from teachings, instinct, learned behavior, etc. I don't place the Lord in any different category than that. If I do, then He wasn't as human as me. Yes, He was God incarnate and remained sinless His entire life, but He was born and raised much like we all are in the context of what we're discussing.
I think you are missing the point. If you can't understand that Jesus was God before becoming human, then I can't help you. Before becoming human, He didn't act human, dress human, or behave like a human, however, He had to do that once becoming human.

We also adapt to our surroundings, even though we are born human. If you were raised by a pack of wild dogs, you wouldn't act human even though you'd look like one. If someone took you out of that environment, you would have to adapt to being human, because even though you are human, you weren't raised as one.

God, before becoming human, never dealt with many things that us humans go through. There certainly was an adaption that took place when He suddenly had to deal with humiliation, rejection, and pain.....things He'd never experienced before.

But again, if you don't understand that, then I don't know what else to say.
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While He is God and knows all things, He did have to adapt to being human. This is evident in things Jesus Himself said. He made statements referring to the Father instead of referring to Himself. He spoke about the Father being greater than He was. For someone being God, this had to be a huge adjustment. I'm not saying God struggled with the adjustment, but there was a reason He came as a human and not a jaguar or a tree.

As a human, He had to adapt to human ways and as a Jew, He had to adapt to that culture. As a man, though He was sinless, He had to adapt to the price humanity pays as the result of sin, meaning He had to endure suffering and pain more than just on the cross.
Ho...we just won't agree on this... to believe this.. you are bringing God who is infinite in wisdom down to our level.. and his foolishnes is above our wisdom.. But I beleive I know where your coming from on this..

Sometimes we like to think of God as we think of ourselves (not in a bad way) and we equate him with us.... according to our humanity.. and what we think...
and with God that's just not the case...

The Jews weren't looking for a stinky stable baby...but a King to come out of the heavens ..then they would reign with him....

But a stable... No Way...
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Ho...we just won't agree on this... to believe this.. you are bringing God who is infinite in wisdom down to our level.. and his foolishnes is above our wisdom.. But I beleive I know where your coming from on this..

Sometimes we like to think of God as we think of ourselves (not in a bad way) and we equate him with us.... according to our humanity.. and what we think...
and with God that's just not the case...

The Jews weren't looking for a stinky stable baby...but a King to come out of the heavens ..then they would reign with him....

But a stable... No Way...
I agree, and I think we agree on more than you realize.

However, what they were expecting was beyond what God was able to do in order to be a sacrifice for us. He couldn't have suffered if He came as they expected. He wouldn't have been able to put our sins onto Himself and bear them on the cross has He come down as they expected.

I believe it would have been easier for Him to do that, however. Jesus, being human, didn't want to die and suffer. He even prayed to God that 'if it be Your will, let this cup pass from me'.

Being human wasn't easy, and the humanity He endured wasn't something desirable. I'm glad he adapted to His situation and stuck it out for me.
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I agree, and I think we agree on more than you realize.

However, what they were expecting was beyond what God was able to do in order to be a sacrifice for us. He couldn't have suffered if He came as they expected. He wouldn't have been able to put our sins onto Himself and bear them on the cross has He come down as they expected.

I believe it would have been easier for Him to do that, however. Jesus, being human, didn't want to die and suffer. He even prayed to God that 'if it be Your will, let this cup pass from me'.

Being human wasn't easy, and the humanity He endured wasn't something desirable. I'm glad he adapted to His situation and stuck it out for me.
HO... I like ya'...but never put God in a box.. of what he could do or can do...

I just agree to disagree with ya here...
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