Eulogy of a Virtuous Woman

[warrior]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Why would you lose your identity or not recognize yourself?

Very interesting. Does this fit into the Apostolic Identity that is being talked about?

I like the best of both worlds. I love the idea of traveling, being a mother, working outside of the home, looking beautiful inside and out, being creative, hanging with my friends, meeting the needs of a husband as well as mine being met when I reach that point, and being saved ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

However, as I read this man's opinion of the virtuous woman I could only see a frumpy woman who is surrounded by kids and spends her day doing things that only pleases her family. Who takes care of her? Who seeks to meet her needs? That is what I want to avoid.

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by DAII

Groce brought standards into the discussion in his "memorial", Diana.



The implication one is not virtuous is one "fixes" herself up or even where fine clothes.

You are blaming the messengers ... T.

haha.....Brother.......Its Dana not Diana but I like the reference to the Princess.
She was pretty and thankfully the Prince rescued her and she did not have to work.lol...same here.....

I am a writer. I love Bro.Groce's stuff. I don't always agree but coming from his back ground and world view and those he is trying to minister to I think he is excellent. He may not appeal to everyone but I like his stuff. I think his reference here is more to an Esther type of persona.



Sister Renda,
Some day your Prince will come. I am praying. Then you can spend all your time baby sitting new grand babies.
lv Sis.Dana

[DAII]

Originally Posted by warrior

I like the best of both worlds. I love the idea of traveling, being a mother, working outside of the home, looking beautiful inside and out, being creative, hanging with my friends, meeting the needs of a husband as well as mine being met when I reach that point, and being saved ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

However, as I read this man's opinion of the virtuous woman I could only see a frumpy woman who is surrounded by kids and spends her day doing things that only pleases her family. Who takes care of her? Who seeks to meet her needs? That is what I want to avoid.

I think God meets the needs and takes care of both the male and female ...

I have learned that going into a relationship with the expectation of having one's needs met ... is frustrating and never truly attainable ....

We are called to fulfill our roles and excel in our duties while esteeming our loved ones as more than ourselves and allowing God to fill our voids.

If both spouses do this ... putting Him and spouse first... needs are met without the frustration of "who takes care of me?".

I do agree that the virtuous woman is a lot more multi-faceted and dynamic than Groce depicts.

[warrior]

Originally Posted by DAII

I think God meets the needs and takes care of both the male and female ...

I have learned that going into a relationship with the expectation of having one's needs met ... is frustrating and never truly attainable ....

We are called to fulfill our roles and excel in our duties while esteeming our loved ones as more than ourselves and allowing God to fill our voids.

If both spouses do this ... putting Him first ... needs are met.

I do agree that the virtuous woman is a lot more multi-faceted and dynamic than Groce depicts.

I can agree to an extent.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by warrior

I can agree to an extent.

I think the command to love our wives as Christ has loved the Church ... is an awesome and daunting task ... that if obeyed ... husbands would meet their spouses " other needs".

The most challenging command for a father and husband in my opinon.

IT TAKES SERIOUS WORK, COMMITMENT, SELFLESSNESS ... but if we rely on Him as our obedience ... all things are possible.

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by warrior

I like the best of both worlds. I love the idea of traveling, being a mother, working outside of the home, looking beautiful inside and out, being creative, hanging with my friends, meeting the needs of a husband as well as mine being met when I reach that point, and being saved ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

However, as I read this man's opinion of the virtuous woman I could only see a frumpy woman who is surrounded by kids and spends her day doing things that only pleases her family. Who takes care of her? Who seeks to meet her needs? That is what I want to avoid.

I suppose I don't see the picture of a frumpy woman there Sister. I have the life that travels(missionary), mother(6), looks beautiful( I am told daily x 100 by spouse), creative(writer,aritist,musician), hangs out with friends(conferences,
book club, church, shopping, visits), ministers to a husband and he does to me and am saved all at the same time.
Sometimes I just like to spend time at home (like today for instance) and write or research or just type fun stuff at forums. I enjoy making meatloaf or going over homework with the children. I enjoy teaching the our nightly Bible Study. I love to travel the earth and teach the Bible to churches and bless people but I also think the best thing I do is mothering. I don't want them to remember me for my pretty clothes or public attention (because I get a lot of attention.) I want them to remember when I let them put their baby feet on my guitar and learned to hum along and sing.
I suppose its a values issue. We cannot expect Brother Groce to really take
on all that a Virtuous woman is or feels but possibly he is writing from his
own perspective of his own mama. That is why it sounds so pioneer. He is not
the youngest man on the block. He is though very nice and meant very well by it. I am sure his mama is well up in years or gone on to glory.


The best thing you can be is a Woman after God's own heart then everything else puts itself into perspective. You must be a great person in person or
this sort of subject would not have even appealed to you.

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by DAII

I think the command to love our wives as Christ has loved the Church ... is an awesome and daunting task ... that if obeyed ... husbands would meet their spouses " other needs".

The most challenging command for a father and husband in my opinon.

IT TAKES SERIOUS WORK, COMMITMENT, SELFLESSNESS ... but if we rely on Him as our obedience ... all things are possible.

Those are good words Brother. I am quite impressed.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by warrior

I like the best of both worlds. I love the idea of traveling, being a mother, working outside of the home, looking beautiful inside and out, being creative, hanging with my friends, meeting the needs of a husband as well as mine being met when I reach that point, and being saved ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

However, as I read this man's opinion of the virtuous woman I could only see a frumpy woman who is surrounded by kids and spends her day doing things that only pleases her family. Who takes care of her? Who seeks to meet her needs? That is what I want to avoid.

By all accounts (according to the eulogy) THIS lady is the epitome of virtuous.


I'm still not sure if this is a real eulogy or like one of those "Death of common sense" lists that people keep publishing from time to time.

[warrior]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

I suppose I don't see the picture of a frumpy woman there Sister. I have the life that travels(missionary), mother(6), looks beautiful( I am told daily x 100 by spouse), creative(writer,aritist,musician), hangs out with friends(conferences,
book club, church, shopping, visits), ministers to a husband and he does to me and am saved all at the same time.
Sometimes I just like to spend time at home (like today for instance) and write or research or just type fun stuff at forums. I enjoy making meatloaf or going over homework with the children. I enjoy teaching the our nightly Bible Study. I love to travel the earth and teach the Bible to churches and bless people but I also think the best thing I do is mothering. I don't want them to remember me for my pretty clothes or public attention (because I get a lot of attention.) I want them to remember when I let them put their baby feet on my guitar and learned to hum along and sing.
I suppose its a values issue. We cannot expect Brother Groce to really take
on all that a Virtuous woman is or feels but possibly he is writing from his
own perspective of his own mama. That is why it sounds so pioneer. He is not
the youngest man on the block. He is though very nice and meant very well by it. I am sure his mama is well up in years or gone on to glory.


The best thing you can be is a Woman after God's own heart then everything else puts itself into perspective. You must be a great person in person or
this sort of subject would not have even appealed to you.

Sending you a pm.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

....
I suppose its a values issue. We cannot expect Brother Groce to really take
on all that a Virtuous woman is or feels but possibly he is writing from his
own perspective of his own mama. That is why it sounds so pioneer. He is not
the youngest man on the block. He is though very nice and meant very well by it. I am sure his mama is well up in years or gone on to glory.
....

This is probably why I was not offended in the least even though I didn't agree with the final interpretations he gave. It is the world view he grew up with.