Can Women Pastor ? - Page 122

Sister Alvear · #**1211** 01-22-2010, 07:11 AM

and this is not a knock or jabe to those that do not agree with me only to say I personally am thankful with thousands of others in Brazil for a wise man...becaus he followed the Lord I am happy today...I am glad I did not stay in the states as a young girl...while others thought it foolish for a child to go to Brazil...He already had my life planned...

Trouvere · #**1212** 01-22-2010, 07:13 AM

Amen Sister Alvear

Sister Alvear · #**1213** 01-22-2010, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trouvere

A person could be a deacon and not an elder? hum......

all they would have to do is study WHO took women out of leadership roles...RCC...

It sure was not Jesus or Paul...

Trouvere · #**1214** 01-22-2010, 07:25 AM

I have lately been study a lot about origins of doctrines and many were tainted by RCC.
It is full of gnosticism.

Sister Alvear · #**1215** 01-22-2010, 07:39 AM

An interesting thing to study is the councils of Orange...

Sister Alvear · #**1216** 01-22-2010, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trouvere

I have lately been study a lot about origins of doctrines and many were tainted by RCC.
It is full of gnosticism.

Yes, I have studied because of working in a Catholic country...step by step...

by the way did you ever read the book by Sister Charlotte?

Sister Alvear · #**1217** 01-22-2010, 08:18 AM

Sister Dana..this might interest you...

Thus there is support for “authenteo” as meaning “to proclaim oneself the author or originator of something.” If we apply this meaning of “authenteo” to 1 Timothy 2:12, we would have “I do not allow a woman to teach nor to represent herself as the originator or source of man.” This then might be a prohibition against a woman teaching a mythology similar to that of the Gnostics in which Eve predated Adam and was his creator. Certain Gnostic myths also included the notion that Adam, who had been deluded, was liberated by the Gnosis of his more enlightened spouse. (Catherine Clark Kroeger, "The Meaning of 'Authenteo'", from "Women, Authority & The Bible" by Alvera Mickelsen, ed. Downers Grove: InterVarsity Press, 1986, pp. 229-232).

rdp · #**1218** 01-22-2010, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Not the expert, but I was trying to enlighten you. And there you go changing the subject. No one has question what literary genre Timothy or Corinthians is. Have they? If so, please enlighten me. And then please tell me why you are mentioning this GOLDEN apple to us all. Thank you kindly.

(Do you realize all your posts are signed off with "gotta go, see you tomorrow" only to see 20 more posts?)

"20 new posts"???????????????????? Wow, talk about exaggeratted attacks!! And this is relevant to the topic...........H-O-W???????? Weird stuff!

The rest is not even worthy of comment, since YOU are the one who perpetrates as the great exegete, always clothed in rags of humility, of course.

rdp · #**1219** 01-22-2010, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Yes, but you aren't LISTENING to a single point anyone makes on this thread. It's like an auto pilot on the other side. Because a word has a gender, does not mean it directly implies exclusivity to a particular gender. That's doesn't consider generic masculines in the Koine Greek.

I see, then you need to explain why there's absolutely NO example of a woman [feminine] filling this slot in the NT 5-fold ministry. And if it worked in your favor, you'd be all over it....but it doesn't, so you try to undercut the validity of a grammatical fact.......sorry Charlie, try again. It is what it is!

rdp · #**1220** 01-22-2010, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

What are his "unsupported" assertions?

Introducing a "synagogue" theory into the text, which has absolutely NOTHING to do w/ the subject of I Tim. 2:11-15, & is totally unsupported from the actual text itself. Then, you pat him on the back saying "good job"????? I'd say you need to get your money back on your "hermeneutics" courses, or reread the books!