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Old 02-10-2010, 03:56 AM
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If this is what I think it is, it's still in the quarry because it got a crack
There's a famous obelisk in an ancient quarry near Aswan, Egypt that has a crack in it was left behind by the stonecutters for this reason. That might be what you have in mind.

Fact of the matter is, just about every quarry that has been operated has some "litter" of stones that were rejected, tossed aside or just left in place it they weren't in the way.
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Old 02-10-2010, 04:06 AM
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BTW, just how heavy was the Washington Monument when it was moved?
It was constructed on site of blocks of marble around a granite block core and built into the shape of an obelisk, but is not a "true" one piece stone obelisk. It has never been moved.

Construction was halted just before the Civil War. By the time construction was begun again, the particular vein of marble that had supplied the first part of the structure was exhausted at the quarry. The monument was about 150 feet high when work was halted.

Another vein of marble from the same quarry was used to complete the monument, however the difference in shading has always been evident at about the 150 foot mark of the 555 foot monument - a perpetual reminder of the forces that divide our nation.

It was the tallest building in the world until the Eiffel Tower was completed. The picture below shows the difference in shading as well as the exterior marble block construction.
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Old 02-10-2010, 06:38 AM
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Why haven't you tried "digging" for the truth on this matter?

Just for this machine to exist requires the CAREFUL handling of 45,500 tons of steel, electronics and other equipment. Every time this machine moves - empty - it must use some miraculous or alien anti-gravity device just to keep from rumbling the entire mass (45,500 tons) into the world's largest heap of scrap steel?. ???

Remove the trenching bucket/wheel and add a simple crane type sling and it can move your stones easily and as carefully as the operator was told to be.

You have to be a really hardcore alien enthusiast (or nephilim, or whatever) to try and stick to your original statement. You ought to sign up for Internet service and just google your theories around.

In 1991, the entire and intact Cape Hatteras Lighthouse was moved to another location 1/2 mile away. The lighthouse weighs 4,830 tons - far, far more than the Baalbek stones you described - all together! See the first picture below.

Sorry, maybe I'm being too harsh, but c'mon! Just one Howie Long GMC commercial moves payloads of similar size to those "impossible to move stones."

The last pic is a contemporary depiction of Egyptians moving an 800 ton colossus. http://www.catchpenny.org/movebig.html
I departed from my statement upon the first challenge and I have pointed this out but no one can seem to grasp that.
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I departed from my statement upon the first challenge and I have pointed this out but no one can seem to grasp that.
I never seen you do that. Not once. In fact I recall you going right along with us up until now.

This is your post #79. Can you find a post after this where you dropped your challenge?

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I'm not going to argue your point because there is room for you to be correct. You have demonstrated big heavy machines with impressive ability to destroy things but there is no clear cut evidence that we could move this stone or the three 800 ton stones that are at Baalbek and put them in position without harm. So there is room that my initial statement is right as well.

But we have different measurements on what is necessary to call another persons thought wrong and impossible and that is the pivotal point in this discussion.

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Old 02-10-2010, 11:41 AM
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I think people are pretty smart. Set them to a task and they'll figure out how to do it, be it a stone age temple or the great pyramids or a car that is powered by hydrogen.

Remember that Eratosthenes figured out the circumference of the earth in 250 BC using a stick, a well, a guy who measured distance with his feet and some basic geometry. He only missed it by 146 miles measured around the poles.

People did some amazing things even thousands of years ago.

Now as to the problem fitting all the animals on the ark. Remember that Star Trek episode where the super alien shrunk everything micro size? that is how God did it, elephants and giraffes are easy to care for when they are only 6 inches tall. And they don't eat as much either.
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I think people are pretty smart. Set them to a task and they'll figure out how to do it, be it a stone age temple or the great pyramids or a car that is powered by hydrogen.

Remember that Eratosthenes figured out the circumference of the earth in 250 BC using a stick, a well, a guy who measured distance with his feet and some basic geometry. He only missed it by 146 miles measured around the poles.

People did some amazing things even thousands of years ago.

Now as to the problem fitting all the animals on the ark. Remember that Star Trek episode where the super alien shrunk everything micro size? that is how God did it, elephants and giraffes are easy to care for when they are only 6 inches tall. And they don't eat as much either.
Sort of like Santa's magic gift bag!

Speaking of Star Trek, do you ever get the urge when walking around and doing your daily activities to say "Computer. End program." just to see if you would suddenly be sitting or standing in a black room with yellow grid lines on it?
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Sort of like Santa's magic gift bag!

Speaking of Star Trek, do you ever get the urge when walking around and doing your daily activities to say "Computer. End program." just to see if you would suddenly be sitting or standing in a black room with yellow grid lines on it?
Only at work....unfortunately I am always still here, not on the holodeck.
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I departed from my statement upon the first challenge and I have pointed this out but no one can seem to grasp that.
I apologize, D4T... ... I do miss some things hopping from one thread to another. I felt badly last night thinking about the tone that I had. I am sorry for that.
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I never seen you do that. Not once. In fact I recall you going right along with us up until now.

This is your post #79. Can you find a post after this where you dropped your challenge?
In post #64 of this thread.

I was asked by you... "Are you saying we couldn't move these stones today if we wanted to" or some similar quote. And I responded to you by saying...

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I'm saying that, in the year 2010, if we even have the ability to carve, move & place these stones it would require the very best of what we have to offer in the technologies of these fields.
There have been some examples given of machinery that could, in all probability, move & place these stones unharmed and each of these examples is the best we have to offer in the technologies of these fields.

When brought to a point of whether I was saying we could not move these stones I backed off of that stance.
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I apologize, D4T... ... I do miss some things hopping from one thread to another. I felt badly last night thinking about the tone that I had. I am sorry for that.
No problem. this has been a frustrating thread since I brought these elements into the picture.

In reading my posts I am sure it seems I am holding my ground but that isn't the intended point.

We surely have some equipment that can move these stones but this equipment is some amazing technology even for our day. The fact that we could move them, IMO, doesn't diminish the amazing feat that would have been to pull off so many thousands of years ago.

Coral Castle was mentioned earlier. One wonders how that feat was accomplished and if similar "technology" was used those thousands of years ago.
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