Installation of Bro. David Bernard

[MissBrattified]

I don't think it's a bashing thread, BUT those of you who say nothing negative has been said (or implied) are being deliberately obtuse. MOW included.

Bottom line, there's nothing wrong with having a special service to install a new leader, and usually it's replete with other ministers praying over him--not putting a crown on his head. Seems appropriate to me. I do realize that it's overdone sometimes, but DKB isn't the type of man to become a king, even if others dangle a crown in front of his nose.

We've had special services to honor our pastor and his wife, and I'm sure the people in MOW's church have done the same for him.

As far as serving goes--our pastor doesn't expect us to serve him; he serves the congregation. However, we teach our children to serve others and the church, including the leadership. The difference is that some people act like there's a special blessing for serving the ministry above serving the saints. The eternal results of servitude are the same either way, but that doesn't mean we should leave out our leaders just to make a political point.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I am not bashing the UPC or any other group, I believe alot is changing for the good, in many groups. I will bash the thrones on stage, no matter whose stage they are on, this disrespects the body as a whole.

Thank you, crakjak. I agree. Our pastor and his wife do not sit on the platform. They sit in a pew and not always on the front row.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I don't think it's a bashing thread, BUT those of you who say nothing negative has been said (or implied) are being deliberately obtuse. MOW included.

Bottom line, there's nothing wrong with having a special service to install a new leader, and usually it's replete with other ministers praying over him--not putting a crown on his head. Seems appropriate to me. I do realize that it's overdone sometimes, but DKB isn't the type of man to become a king, even if others dangle a crown in front of his nose.

We've had special services to honor our pastor and his wife, and I'm sure the people in MOW's church have done the same for him.

As far as serving goes--our pastor doesn't expect us to serve him; he serves the congregation. However, we teach our children to serve others and the church, including the leadership. The difference is that some people act like there's a special blessing for serving the ministry above serving the saints. The eternal results of servitude are the same either way, but that doesn't mean we should leave out our leaders just to make a political point.

Well said, Miss B, respecting and honoring great leadership is very appropriate, and I stated as much in my post. Leadership is very hard work, and it should be properly acknowledged.

I am currently reading, John Adams by David McCullough, and I am quite amazed at how tentative the establishment of governance for this country actually was, if not but the grace of God, the USA would never have existed. It is so true, that "...unless the Lord build the house, the builders build in vain..." GREAT LEADERSHIP IS VERY RARE INDEED!! And it is only servant leadership that builds anything that lasts, all other building dies with the founders. And eventually all human institutions seem to fail.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I don't think it's a bashing thread, BUT those of you who say nothing negative has been said (or implied) are being deliberately obtuse. MOW included.

Bottom line, there's nothing wrong with having a special service to install a new leader, and usually it's replete with other ministers praying over him--not putting a crown on his head. Seems appropriate to me. I do realize that it's overdone sometimes, but DKB isn't the type of man to become a king, even if others dangle a crown in front of his nose.

We've had special services to honor our pastor and his wife, and I'm sure the people in MOW's church have done the same for him.

As far as serving goes--our pastor doesn't expect us to serve him; he serves the congregation. However, we teach our children to serve others and the church, including the leadership. The difference is that some people act like there's a special blessing for serving the ministry above serving the saints. The eternal results of servitude are the same either way, but that doesn't mean we should leave out our leaders just to make a political point.

Good points, Abi.

I call it bashing when someone comes in with a simple question and all the negative comments, having nothing to do with the question posed, come crawling out of the woodwork. That is bashing, IMO.

It also comes across as being as exclusive as some claim the 3-steppers represent themselves against the one-steppers. It is a division. I find no redeeming qualities in that. So, I would like to thank, especially MOW as Admin, for making me feel very welcome here. Just sayin'

BTW, I have never seen Michael Phelps, as an Admin, represent himself in such fashion.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Thank you, crakjak. I agree. Our pastor and his wife do not sit on the platform. They sit in a pew and not always on the front row.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by crakjak

You brought tears to my eyes when you said that you saw things changing for the good, crakjak. It is so important to so many of us to do something for the Kingdom of God and we really want to do it right.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Good points, Abi.

I call it bashing when someone comes in with a simple question and all the negative comments, having nothing to do with the question posed, come crawling out of the woodwork. That is bashing, IMO.

It also comes across as being as exclusive as some claim the 3-steppers represent themselves against the one-steppers. It is a division. I find no redeeming qualities in that. So, I would like to thank, especially MOW as Admin, for making me feel very welcome here. Just sayin'

BTW, I have never seen Michael Phelps, as an Admin, represent himself in such fashion.

So which part is sarcasm - I'm confused!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

So which part is sarcasm - I'm confused!

Obviously, the first one. I guess I need a break.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You brought tears to my eyes when you said that you saw things changing for the good, crakjak. It is so important to so many of us to do something for the Kingdom of God and we really want to do it right.