Read Segraves on "letting down hair"

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

I heard an extensive dissertation by LS as he carefully developed the definition of power as exousia, authority, including all the implications implied by this word. He does NOT define power as dunamis. Also his anectodal references to "letting hair down" are in agreement with DKB's allowance for such an unconfentional act as a means of "focusing individual faith". I would say that LS is in agreement with both DKB and DS regarding the understanding that there are NO "magical powers" in the substance of the hair, and LS never suggests to "let down hair" in order to access "supernatural magical powers" as some slanderous and libellous individual would like to suggest. Everyone Gould read both DKB's and DS's papers, take not of the areas they agree on, and make allowances for differing opnions in the areas where they disagree.

I got out my thumbdrive where I transcribed a message by LS - "Holiness- Separation from Worldliness" 12/31/96.

This is the portion of the message that covers the hair. The first portion is about make-up.

Now, listen to this. This is the most fabulous, fascinating thing I've ever contemplated. I Cor 11:15 says, a literal translation from Greek, "But, a women, if she wears her hair long, a glory to her it is, because the long hair, instead of a veil has been given her."

That messes up a whole group of people. There is an ornery streak in me. I was in England, no names mentioned, farther than that, but I was in England. You know how you travel and you get all jet lagged out. Not really thinking. I was just right there. I went to a service in London. Had never been there before. I looked out over the audience, from the platform. They all had these veils on. I preached and did my thing for Jesus, but (laughing) in the car going home after church I reared up in the back seat, over the front seat, and said, "What are all of these veils. It looks like a bunch of Catholics." The driver nearly lost control of the car, but I'm jetlagged out. He said, "Oh, if you read the scriptures." I said, "Nonsense, that isn't what the Bible says. The covering is the hair, not the veil." I'm just into it, I'm NOT thinking.

All of a sudden, (laughing) it occurred to me I'm clear out on the end of a limb and this guy doesn't believe what I believe. SO, the next night in the services, we had a powerful move of God and one of the women got to dancing and she lost her hat. Of course, they are taught that you can't, a women can't worship without this veil. (laughing) I told you that I was ornery. I am. I saw that hat go rolling down the isle and she went to stop and get it and I grabbed her hand and pulled her away from the hat and continued to pour on the worship. She kept dancing and shouting until she was convinced that you can be blessed without wearing a covering. (clapping) I did it all night long! I majored in it (laughing)

VEIL IS MAN MADE. HAIR IS GOD MADE. GOD GAVE YOU A COVERING!!!!! I WANT ALL YOU LADIES TO SHOUT, "I'VE GOT THAT." SAY, "I'M GOING TO KEEP IT!"

(Men, probably on platform saying, "Praise the Lord, good").

Then the Bible goes on to say, "For this cause, ought the women to have power on head because of the angels." That is a fascinating and intriguing study. "For this cause, ought..." "Ought" in the Greek means to "owe or be indebted". "For this cause, ought the women to have power." The word "power" means, "authority, ability, authority, rule". "...on her head because of the angels." The word "because" is translated to mean, "through, by or with". So, if you put it together, what I Cor II:10 is saying, "For this cause ought the women to have power on her head because of the angels." Therefore, the women is indebted or owes her authority on her head with the angels.

Power. The original meaning is the "ability to perform an act, the right, the authority". Now, get this, "and the permission conferred upon her by a higher court".

"For this cause, the women is owing or indebted to the inward power, which is conferred upon her by a higher court with and by the angels."

The word, "power" comes from the Greek word, I think, "exousia". It means "as a divinely given authority act". " Exousia" implies, "freedom for the whole community".

I have always known, in the Spirit, that in our churches and in our homes where our women did not cut their hair that there was some kind of angelic power and protection that was there continuously, but I didn't know until this year, until I went to the Greek and dug it out.

I didn't know how really accurate I was. I've always felt it in the Spirit, but now I can prove it biblically, biblically, that in churches where our women do not cut their hair. It's not the long and short of it, ladies. It is "uncut". Don't tell me you have long hair and then keep trimming the ends so that it doesn't get any longer than where it is now. That's not the issue. The issue is not long or short. The issue is "uncut" because in some cultures women's hair, it does not grow long. So, it's not long or short. That's not the issue. The issue is "uncut".

I have known and now can prove it, spiritually from the Bible, that in our churches, in our homes, where our women, our ladies do not cut their hair there is a kind of angelic protection that flows out from them for the whole Christian community.

Powerful! Powerful!

If a women wants to be free, say, "free", she lets her hair grow. If she wants to be bound, she does not let her hair grow, but if she allows her hair to grow long, uncut, in compliance with God's relationship to man, then the church community has a freedom in the Spirit which does not exist without her compliance.

I've watched this year. I know some men that are powerful in the Spirit. Powerfully used by God. But, I've watched a couple of them, even this year, they came up against a problem and they could not find an answer to. They couldn't come to any kind of an answer, but the wife, who is in the background, usually, they had never cut their hair. One day he walked in just twisting his hands, one of them in particular, and she came to him and she said, "This is the answer here." And she mapped out an answer that was so perfect, he staggered at the wisdom in it. Do you know why she got a hold of that and he didn't? Because ladies, among us, who do not cut their hair are entangled with angels and the wisdom and power of angels that men are not connected to and they cannot be connected to it.

Only eternity will reveal how many times in our homes and in our churches, where our women have not cut their hair, only eternity will reveal how many times an angel of the Lord has stepped out and pulled a child back from oncoming traffic. How many times your husband, on the way to work, suddenly and angel stepped between him and an oncoming car. Only eternity will reveal that.

Steve Richardson, who is one of the most powerful, anointed songwriters in our movement. He wrote the song, "Daystar". He also wrote a song, "Just to walk with you". Just to walk with Him means more than all this world to me. He told me and you can talk to him and he'll tell you the same story.

His mother is one of the most godly looking women you will ever meet. Her hair is uncut. He came from a background like that. He said, "One day, on the circuitous route around Indianapolis he was driving and found himself sandwiched between semis and he was on the inside lane and there was an oncoming car heading straight toward him for a head on collision and there was no way to escape because there were semis all along this side and he was hemmed in on this side with the media arrangement and there was no way to get out. He simply cried, "Jesus!!". He said, when he came to, his car was ahead of the Semis that collided. Parked on the side of the road, ahead of the accident one of the truck drivers got out of the truck, came running to him, reached through the window and said, "I have never seen anything like this in my life. But, something picked your car up, carried it through the air and carried it to the side of the road."

I want to belong to a church like that! I want to belong to a church that has those kinds of testimonies. I heard a story this year, where a women forgot and left a window upstairs open. Her little child was up there playing. She was downstairs. She heard a scream from the street outside on the sidewalk and came running out. Her little child had climbed up on the window sill and a passerby on the sidewalk saw the child, on the window ledge, and the child fell out of the second story window fell and she screamed and when the mother came out she said, "What happened?" And this passerby was trembling saying, "Your child fell out of that open window, but there was a man standing on the ground and he caught her."

That is the presence and power of angels. "For this cause ought the women to have power upon her head because of the angels." Power with the angels. Power!!!

Life your hands for a moment. I prayed, today, that angels would come in among the people, tonight, and touch you in such a way that you would be so transformed in your thinking and in your mind that you would never be the same again. Let your voice out for just a moment. That's it. Let your voice out. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus restore us to dedication and consecration, after the ways of God, not after the traditions of man nor the way of the world, nor the ways of religion. Let there be such a power among us that the sinner will fall upon his knees and cry out to God.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Every once in awhile I get some extra time. She has eight weeks of school left then she can come back and dominate the discussions. Working full time and going to school full time doesn't leave much time for AFF. But she graduates in May.

Wonderful! It will be here before you know it!!!

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I've watched this year. I know some men that are powerful in the Spirit. Powerfully used by God. But, I've watched a couple of them, even this year, they came up against a problem and they could not find an answer to. They couldn't come to any kind of an answer, but the wife, who is in the background, usually, they had never cut their hair. One day he walked in just twisting his hands, one of them in particular, and she came to him and she said, "This is the answer here." And she mapped out an answer that was so perfect, he staggered at the wisdom in it. Do you know why she got a hold of that and he didn't? Because ladies, among us, who do not cut their hair are entangled with angels and the wisdom and power of angels that men are not connected to and they cannot be connected to it.

Only eternity will reveal how many times in our homes and in our churches, where our women have not cut their hair, only eternity will reveal how many times an angel of the Lord has stepped out and pulled a child back from oncoming traffic. How many times your husband, on the way to work, suddenly and angel stepped between him and an oncoming car. Only eternity will reveal that.

This literally makes my stomach turn.

He is preaching that wives have a power that THEIR GODLY HUSBANDS DON'T HAVE, just because of their hair.

[DAII]

We went viral with a 40 minute message available for all to hear. He keeps referring to snippets and that I have said that LS believes in magic and quite frankly I don't know anyone who has stated as much. The term magic has everything to do with the only doctrinal witness he uses in his message to support his claims - the occult.

We have analyzed here and HMH entire segments of what he, Reider, Jasinski and Woodward have propogated. Not just this pet segment he feels he triumphantly transcribed.

BD, if anyone understands the power of montage, its me. This is a look at the BIG PICTURE and thankfully most see the danger in this doctrine which has no defense.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It is unfortunate that he is stuck on viral and unfortunate. What a let down

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I got out my thumbdrive where I transcribed a message by LS - "Holiness- Separation from Worldliness" 12/31/96.

This is the portion of the message that covers the hair. The first portion is about make-up.

So guys are up the creek without a paddle. Men have no angelic covering, churches with prayed up Holy Ghost filled men have no bearing on the angelic presence? That is what LS is saying.

[Pressing-On]

(Continued)

Now, I'm near the end, but I want you to hear this, because to me this is fearful. The boy, in a family, gets his male identify from his mother not his father, but every boy needs a dad, but a boy really gets his male identity from his mother. If you watch a boy in a family, when he begins to enter into puberty, he will begin to flirt with his mother, if she is a wise women, she will know what he is doing. Her approval, her recognition, her affection develops his self-esteem. His identity that he is a male. If a boy grows up without that kind of relationship from his mother, later in life when he marries he will not know how to treat his wife and usually will abuse her.

A girl gets her identity from her daddy, not her mother. If the mother is rebellious in these matters of divine order than she transmits her rebellion to her son and the generation that he sires will be more rebellious than hers. That is what is so scary about all of this that's going on around us in this hour. She will be subtle in her expression of it, but he will be bold. It will become his lifestyle. All you have to do is go to Roman history and see how the mother's of the Caesars manipulated their sons to become the most viral, corrupt and evil specimens of humanity that has ever existed. A classic example is Claudius, the 4th Roman Emperor of the Roman Empire. Great examples can be found among the pharoahs of Egypt. People that whole volumes are written on this particular subject. It is scary.

What I've come to say to you tonight, at the beginning of this new year is that, ladies, we desperately need you. From the Theological Dictionary of the NT by Kittel, published by Eerdmans, in Biblical times, when you entered Corinth, at the top of the hill was the Temple of Diana. The first sailor, from the sea to the top of the hill, was given free access to the whole of the harlot harems of Diana. The prostitutes, in the Temple, all had short hair. It had been given as a sacrifice to the Goddess Diana.

In National Geographic magazine, June 1972, page 774, I found a picture of an altar, whereupon, women of Biblical times sacrificed their hair. Found in the city of Aphrodisias located in SW Turkey, the Temple of Aphrodite towers behind it's blazing altar. Women entered to sacrifice their hair in annual morning for the death of Aphrodite's lover Adonis, a writ created by artists from ancient accounts.

When Paul wrote what he wrote in Corinthians, these Greek maidens, who were beautiful, when they served the religions of Greece, they cut their long beautiful tresses and they were sacrificed on blazing altars to the goddesses inside those temples and their bodies were given to harlotry or to the goddesses of love in that religion. The people, these women, who were converted to Christianity, they had done this for their old gods. They assumed that when they got into Christianity they should also sacrifice their hair for this new God, Jesus. Therefore, the question arose about the cutting of hair and Paul was addressed and he wrote back and said, "We have no such custom, neither the churches of God." What he was saying was, "Women, when you come to Jesus, we have no such custom as they have in the heathen temple of cutting your hair and giving it as a sacrifice to the goddess'. We have no such custom in the church as they have in the heathen temples. Your hair was given to you for a covering and with that covering comes power from heaven with angels upon you." That's what he was saying. We have no such custom as they have in the heathen churches. Powerful.

As far as I am concerned, the cutting of the hair among our people, our women, is a statement of our women for women's rights. It is filtering in the church. It is a sign of rebellion and if is continues we will become history.

As a man, in Pentecost, I feel that we have totally failed our women. We have totally failed them. We have never taken the time to explain to them the vital role that they play in the church. We have never helped them to understand what they have a hold of. We talk about revival, we preach revival, but what I've come here to say tonight is, ladies, we cannot have it without you. We need you to continue to do what you are doing. There is a power among us that does not exist in those churches out there. I have been out there. It is not out there. It's here among us in this place and it's because of our godly women. Some people think, "Oh, God has placed so much upon our women. He has placed such a load upon them". No, No, No, God has placed a great deal of confidence on our women and in our women to do something that men cannot do. We cannot do this without you. We need you to do what you are doing. Because the women in the example of the entire Christian church and I feel like we should absolutely stand to our feet, as men tonight, and give our ladies a standing ovation for what they do in the church. I think it is long overdue. I think it is long overdue to give our ladies recognition that they deserve and that they need.

How does it feel, suddenly, ladies to become a great treasure in the Kingdom of God? How does it feel after all you have done and all the effort you have made to understand that there is something upon you that cannot be there without your compliance to the simplicity of the scriptures. God has designed this to make of us a people like no other people on the face of the earth. I don't know how you feel about it. I don't want to belong to a church where there is no power. I don't want to belong to just another religion, as I've already said. I don't know how you feel, but I want to belong to a church where we can bring a child, with a raging fever, and the men of God can come and lay hands upon that child and the fever will disappear. I want to belong to a church where a drug addict can come in and come to an altar and he will suddenly be set free. I want to belong to a church where the homosexual can come and suddenly discover a new lifestyle and be cut loose from all that he has been involved in. I want to belong to a church where there is a demonstration of the spirit and power. I want to belong to a church where there is power to keep our young people out of the cesspools of life. I want a religion, I want a truth, I want a Christianity that will keep us pure from the things of this world. And there are some of the finest young people in this church you are ever going to find anywhere, but some of you have gotten messed up, but this Jesus, tonight, will make a way for you to be straightened out and we have a hold of the answer. We've got a hold of the key. We've got a hold of the thing that will transform everything.

Now, I think we all ought to clap our hands for the Lord tonight and worship the Lord.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So guys are up the creek without a paddle. Men have no angelic covering, churches with prayed up Holy Ghost filled men have no bearing on the angelic presence? That is what LS is saying.

Sucks to be you! Sorry, I shouldn't have said that!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

This literally makes my stomach turn.

He is preaching that wives have a power that THEIR GODLY HUSBANDS DON'T HAVE, just because of their hair.

Girl! If I get a bigger allowance for that, I'm good!

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I got out my thumbdrive where I transcribed a message by LS - "Holiness- Separation from Worldliness" 12/31/96.

This is the portion of the message that covers the hair. The first portion is about make-up.

We have a portion of this on the site as well ...

Again BD has little working knowledge of the histrionics of this ...

It's like speaking about the Cold War with my middle school students.

[Praxeas]

I bet LS got his definition from strongs.

The sentence is in the accusative

90.44 διάe (with the accusative): a marker of a participant constituting the cause or reason for an event or state—‘because of, on account of, for this reason.’ καὶ ἔσεσθε μισούμενοι ὑπὸ πάντων διὰ τὸ ὄνομά μου ‘you will be hated by everyone because of me’ (literally ‘… because of my name’) Mt 10:22; ἔδησεν αὐτὸν ἐν φυλακῇ διὰ Ηρῳδιάδα ‘he put him in jail because of Herodias’ Mk 6:17. In Mk 6:17 Herodias clearly constituted the reason or cause for Herod putting John in prison, but there is a sense in which διὰ Ηρῳδιάδα may also indicate Herod’s purpose in trying to please Herodias, and therefore one may translate ‘for the sake of Herodias
Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament : Based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition.). New York: United Bible societies.

3. Causally “on account of,” “for the sake of,” with a certain final element when the accusative of person is used (e.g., Mk. 2:27; 1 Cor. 8:11), and sometimes the accusative of thing (e.g., Mt. 15:3, 6; 1 Cor. 9:23; Phil. 2:30). The double diá in Rom. 4:25 offers some difficulty in view of the tension between a purely causal rendering of the first half and the parallelism of the statement. The point is perhaps that Christ died “because of our sins and in order to expiate them” (cf. 1 Tim. 1:16). In Rom. 11:28 the Jews are enemies in order that salvation may come to the Gentiles but beloved on account of the fathers; the parallelism here is purely rhetorical.
Kittel, G., Friedrich, G., & Bromiley, G. W. (1995). Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (150). Grand Rapids, MI: W.B. Eerdmans.