Read Segraves on "letting down hair"

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

You're admitting your own feelings of insufficiency... You may be a little intimidated attempting to converse with someone who uses a more extensive vocabulary than yourself. Do you personally identify with the necessity of having writing aids at your immediate access? It's alright, I sympathize with your plight, although not all of us need thesauri to speak, or write, at a higher level. The fact that you're "not quite sure" whether or not I "have all the definitions down correctly" certainly speaks more about yourself than it does about me! Good try though.. I will at least commend you for your effort here! Keep it up, you'll get better!

Add to my initial assessment of Bob Dylan a hearty dose of arrogance and superiority.

You have a lot to learn, my friend. Deflection of your own shortcomings with personal attacks on Dizzy's intelligence reveals your inner feelings of inferiority and uncertainty of your own belief.

From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.........we would all love to help you, but you're not allowing yourself to be helped.

So we all just have to sit back and watch the train as it speeds toward the abutment..........

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

I am going to attempt to crystalize the three areas of concern. You may be able to add more, others may as well:

1.) What LS teaches:

1. A woman ought not cut her hair
2. A woman who does not cut her hair has power (authority, liberty, freedom) because of (by, through, or with) the angels (I think this is near an exact quote of LS).
3. A woman has access to authority in the spirit realm because of her obedeince in not cutting her hair that a man does not and cannot have

2.) Methods LS uses that are deemed objectionable

1. Allusions and references to witchcraft and occultic understanding of the hair
2. Multiplicitous andectodes referencing woman who have laid their hair out on people or prayer requests, resulting in affirmative responses from God on behalf of these prayers

3.)Actions of those that heard LS teaching this message

1. Women laying hair out over prayer requests
2. women laying hair out over people
3. Women in conferences letting their hair down and shaking it
4. Women appealing to God referencing their uncut hair in order to convince or pursuade God to answer their requests affirmatively
5. The phenomenon of women letting their hair down spreading to other areas of the fellowship

Do I have this correct, or am I missing something?

I more or less agree with that assessment. So now we are going to hear that none of these things are wrong?

EDIT: for the record 1a has nothing to do with HMH. That is a totally separate issue.

[DAII]

Personally I enjoyed the train wreck here and among his peers at AMF.

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Add to my initial assessment of Bob Dylan a hearty dose of arrogance and superiority.

You have a lot to learn, my friend. Deflection of your own shortcomings with personal attacks on Dizzy's intelligence reveals your inner feelings of inferiority and uncertainty of your own belief.

From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.........we would all love to help you, but you're not allowing yourself to be helped.

So we all just have to sit back and watch the train as it speeds toward the abutment..........

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Add to my initial assessment of Bob Dylan a hearty dose of arrogance and superiority.

You have a lot to learn, my friend. Deflection of your own shortcomings with personal attacks on Dizzy's intelligence reveals your inner feelings of inferiority and uncertainty of your own belief.

From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.........we would all love to help you, but you're not allowing yourself to be helped.

So we all just have to sit back and watch the train as it speeds toward the abutment..........

Listen Phelps, I was being quite sparing in my resonse to dizzy. I tend to match the rhetoric that is directed toward me, and I admit I may have gotten a little too carried away with dizzy here.

If you'll notice, my post that you quoted here was a response to her initial snipe toward me. And over the last several pages, from you, dizzy, and a couple others, there have been nothing but snipes directed toward me. No thoughtful handling of what I have presented, but attempts at assault and insult. My response was merely a reprisal.

It's interesting you can see only one side of this and not the other. As I read through the last couple pages of posts made yesterday toward me, including yours, I thought "these people are mindless". Your last post here reinforces that perception. Want to talk about maturity? You're quite a bit older, why don't you lead by example?

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

there have been nothing but snipes directed toward me. No thoughtful handling of what I have presented, but attempts at assault and insult.

Is this true?

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I more or less agree with that assessment. So now we are going to hear that none of these things are wrong?

EDIT: for the record 1a has nothing to do with HMH. That is a totally separate issue.

1a is certainly part of what LS teaches, and is the emphasis behind his message. The other points, depending on how it is presented, or what intent can be contrued, can either indicate problematic statements, or a "perfect storm" scenario. I am leaning toward the perfect storm. If you remember my last response to you, I think it was a three point analysis as to how LS teachings can be construed in other ways than intended, I give a perfect storm
scenario. I want to adress these points as well and describe more thoroughly what I am talking about, when I have time... Probaly a little later this evening. Thanks jfrog for the thoughtful responses....

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Is this true?

It is true for phelps and dizzy.... Jfrog, prax, perhaps yourself have been somewhat fair... Although prax and I have had our bouts! I do appreciate those who handle what I am saying as opposed to those who are content to take unprovoked snipes....

[DAII]

You are the ringmaster of a verbal acrobatic circus where language is contorted, meaning is clowned with, and integrity is shot out of a cannon with flaming duplicity.

Don't ever mistake verbosity for intelligence, son - much less wisdom.

Originally Posted by BobDylan

Listen Phelps, I was being quite sparing in my resonse to dizzy. I tend to match the rhetoric that is directed toward me, and I admit I may have gotten a little too carried away with dizzy here.

If you'll notice, my post that you quoted here was a response to her initial snipe toward me. And over the last several pages, from you, dizzy, and a couple others, there have been nothing but snipes directed toward me. No thoughtful handling of what I have presented, but attempts at assault and insult. My response was merely a reprisal.

It's interesting you can see only one side of this and not the other. As I read through the last couple pages of posts made yesterday toward me, including yours, I thought "these people are mindless". Your last post here reinforces that perception. Want to talk about maturity? You're quite a bit older, why don't you lead by example?

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

This is what I am saying!

Also, he has apparently spent waaaaay to much time alone with a thesaurus... although I am not quite sure that he has all the definitions down correctly...

Originally Posted by dizzyde

One of the reasons I would be REALLY interested in knowing who he is, I have a strong feeling that he has another identity around here. And his motivation is really murky, can't quite get a handle on it.

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

My guess is that Bob Dylan is a relatively young man who thinks he knows it all. Furthermore, he probably feels that its a disgrace to admit that he is wrong, so now he's working on this incredibly ridiculous defense of the indefensible just so he won't have to admit his error.

This is a sign of someone who is not quite confident enough with their own knowledge to be able to say "You're right, I'm wrong".

Hopefully, one day he'll get there, because one cannot be a great leader without the ability to admit that you may be mistaken.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Well, I can tell you one thing - with all of his defense and explanatory endeavouring of what LS is saying, he is also perpetuating false doctrine.

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Is this true?

A few examples of the snipes over the last couple pages. Dizzy's was the only one I responded to, due to time constraints. I had intended to repond to phelps mindless posts as well.... I think it is unfortunate that I haven't yet. If he thought ge had something in my response to dizzy to take issue with, I am sure he really would have enjoyed my response to him!

My "sharp responses", as in the case of my response to dizzy that phelps took issue with, were merely reprisals. My MO generally is to match the rhetoric directed toward me. If your thoughtful, I'll be... If you want to play in the sandbox, I can and willdo that to! Problem is, some can't handle it, thus phelps insecurity in his accusations toward me of feelings of "superiority".... Just trying to be equitable here...

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by DAII

You are the ringmaster of a verbal acrobatic circus where language is contorted, meaning is clowned with, and integrity is shot out of a cannon with duplicity.

Don't ever mistake verbosity for intelligence, son - much less wisdom.

ROFL... you can't handle it that I ignore you, can you? BTW son, I like it when you call me "ringmaster"!!!! It has a certain "ring" to it!