Read Segraves on "letting down hair"

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I'm right beside you! Let's start a posse.

I know you are joking here. But, on the most serious side - prayer is very powerful. I've been through enough hell to know that only prayer has saved me and changed circumstances. When we couple prayer with our sincere faith, we can move mountains. Let us bind together in prayer.

I was very happy (this was relayed to me last night) to have a young girl contact her mother to share that she remembered something I taught at one of our ladies meetings about God being very interested in every detail of our lives. Every single, simple detail.

She went on to say that her husband had lost his wedding band and she was so unhappy that they couldn't find it. She remembered the simple prayers that I had prayed and shared with the ladies. She said that she decided to ask God to help her find it. This was after all of their snow. She went outside and happened to see a shining object by the garden bed and it was his ring! She was sooooo happy.

Even though this situation is looking hopeless on the HMH, our sincere and honest prayers will do so much and we will be astonished at what God will do!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Might make an interesting thread!

LOL! I know I am susceptible to loosing my temper, but I could never be that hateful! LOL! I'll think it, but I won't say it out loud! LOL!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I know you are joking here. But, on the most serious side - prayer is very powerful. I've been through enough hell to know that only prayer has saved me and changed circumstances. When we couple prayer with our sincere faith, we can move mountains. Let us bind together in prayer.

I was very happy (this was relayed to me last night) to have a young girl contact her mother to share that she remembered something I taught at one of our ladies meetings about God being very interested in every detail of our lives. Every single, simple detail.

She went on to say that her husband had lost his wedding band and she was so unhappy that they couldn't find it. She remembered the simple prayers that I had prayed and shared with the ladies. She said that she decided to ask God to help her find it. This was after all of their snow. She went outside and happened to see a shining object by the garden bed and it was his ring! She was sooooo happy.

Even though this situation is looking hopeless on the HMH, our sincere and honest prayers will do so much and we will be astonished at what God will do!

You are exactly right!

And, perhaps not printing pictures in the Herald with a woman "letting" her hair down over a basket of prayer request could be helpful too.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

You can easily make that point without making it personal!



Part of forum communication, especially the fun part, is the competitive aspect and exhange of wit, TIC, satire, personality, etc... It's one of the things that make forum exchange engaging and challenging. Also, there are good amounts of serious information, argument, and debate that can take place. You don't get one without the other... it's the nature of forumese. You should know this as well as anyone... "Eye for an eye" is quite different than "tit for tat". I was doing "tit for tat", not "eye for an eye"...



As were my responses to you, dizzy, and others!



Please allow me to make my motivations clear. I am not trying to defend heresy. I am a new kid on the block regarding this debate/discussion. I have only recently heard LS present his "hair" message, having been invited by a local pastor who told me during the service "this is the so-called magic hair message". I listened discriminately, and found nothing overtly objectionable in his message that night, and rather thought he did an outstanding job. There were also miracles that I personally witnessed in that service, and prayed with at least two who received the Holy Ghost for the first time.

I get online on a couple different forums and asked the questions "what is Magic Hair doctrine". Snippets, clips, excerpts from books, anecdotes, and picture of a lady laying her hair out over prayer requests were offered. I found no teaching of "magic in the hair". As Praxeas has assisted me in crystalizing, this was not the objection as no one has accused LS of saying there was "magic powers in the hair" (I find the title "holy magic hair" to be quite misleading).

My motivation to defend LS is part of my own individual investigation, to see if his statements, teachings, and restults can be defended. I have offered reasoning, which both jfrom and Prax has responded to, as to how the "magic hair" phenomenon has spread. I concluded there were unnecessary resources and references used in at least one of LS' messages. I have suggested that some of his statements could be intended in other ways that the way they are being exploited, and the phenomenon of women laying hair out is a grass-roots "folk theology" over reaction to what LS has or is teaching. I do not think LS is teaching heresy or false doctrine.

As Prax has pointed out, his teaching coupled with his methodology and the responses of those who hear his teaching, without more effort on LS's part to more thoroughly exegete his teaching so as to avert misunderstanding or misguided perceptions, has contributed to the current state of this phenomenon.

Others have accused LS and tried to find him guilty, I have taken the other approach and simply tried to prove him innocent. I have no motivation other than my own curiosity and interest. I have found no complicit culpability on the part of LS to knowingly promote false doctrine or heresy. However I do think a few statements and more thorough teaching when he presents his hair message would go a long way to avoiding some of these effusive responses and evident inaccuracies in individual understanding regarding what he is saying in his message.

Thanks for the moderated response here...

Fair enough, glad we had this little chat!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I agree.

I just don't understand why it continues to get a free pass.

I agree. I'm very surprised at this as well. When I heard the remark at this recent ladies meeting, I know the blood drained out of my face. (lol) I was so shocked that someone actually said those words out loud - "There is power in our uncut hair."

Again, I think that DS article in the Herald is the beginning of the correction. I think it will take a little time because not everyone reads the Herald. We don't order it anymore. Haven't for a long time.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I know you are joking here. But, on the most serious side - prayer is very powerful. I've been through enough hell to know that only prayer has saved me and changed circumstances. When we couple prayer with our sincere faith, we can move mountains. Let us bind together in prayer.

Well, shoot, P.O., take all the fun out of it!



j/k

Yes, prayer will definitely work. I don't, myself, think the situation looks hopeless. I really don't expect this doctrine to ever become mainstream. I think it is WAY too widespread right now, but still don't expect it to ever completely take over. There are way too many people who object to the doctrine. Not enough people speaking out yet, but I expect that to happen if the doctrine continues to grow.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

You are exactly right!

And, perhaps not printing pictures in the Herald with a woman "letting" her hair down over a basket of prayer request could be helpful too.

Yea, that picture was a devastating whopper! Right?!!!!

OMG - I was sooooooooooo furious!!! I wanted to burn it!!!!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Well, shoot, P.O., take all the fun out of it!



j/k

Yes, prayer will definitely work. I don't, myself, think the situation looks hopeless. I really don't expect this doctrine to ever become mainstream. I think it is WAY too widespread right now, but still don't expect it to ever completely take over. There are way too many people who object to the doctrine. Not enough people speaking out yet, but I expect that to happen if the doctrine continues to grow.

Sorry, AQP. I'd loan out the horses, but after my father passed away we sold the ranch! No more horses available.

But, seriously, I'm sitting in the midst of 1,100 women and they were not responding very well to the words - "There is power in our uncut hair". I am thinking that some were thinking - "Are you freaking kidding me?! Do you know what I've been through?!!!"

Something has got to make sense at that point.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Sorry, AQP. I'd loan out the horses, but after my father passed away we sold the ranch! No more horses available.

I have horses.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

But, seriously, I'm sitting in the midst of 1,100 women and they were not responding very well to the words - "There is power in our uncut hair". I am thinking that some were thinking - "Are you freaking kidding me?! Do you know what I've been through?!!!"

Something has got to make sense at that point.

So the other women there, they didn't 'amen' loudly? They didn't seem to agree with her?