Read Segraves on "letting down hair"

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by jfrog

1.) There is nothing major wrong with saying that obedience in general grants special spiritual authority. I would probably attribute such authority to Jesus and faith on him, and say that both obedience and authority should be a direct result of that faith. But that's really just semantics because regardless of how its said, the same thing is happening. Faith is followed by obedience and authority.

But then beyond the general case is this specific one of "obedience to uncut hair". Now I agree with the argument so far that there is nothing wrong with correlating this obedience to power and authority in Jesus. However, I disagree when it is said and implied that obedience to uncut hair somehow grants more authority than obedience to anything else. This is exactly what is being done too. When stories of miracles happening for women with uncut hair are told the message is clear. That message is that keeping your hair uncut may give you these same miraculous happenings in your life. Now there is no other form of obedience that is taught with anecdotes of miracles. That alone sets this teaching apart from any other teaching about obedience.

So what has been done by LS is that he has taken the general teaching of obedience leading to authority and added miraculous happenings to the authority that comes from this one particular kind of obedience. Since miraculous things are not spoken of as happening when obeying anything else then he has given obedience to uncut hair a place of higher esteem than obedience to anything else.

To further cement this point he has said that men cannot have this same kind of authority and wisdom that is given from God by obedience to uncut hair. Now the important question for us to ask here is why is he saying men can't have the same authority and wisdom? If I'm not mistaken and I'm sure you will correct me if I am wrong, but LS ties the answer to this question not into men being men and women being women, but he ties the answer into uncut hair. That is his reason for why men can't have the same authority and wisdom.

This is also a good post, and is in line with PO's thoughts. Thanks!

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by jfrog

But then beyond the general case is this specific one of "obedience to uncut hair". Now I agree with the argument so far that there is nothing wrong with correlating this obedience to power and authority in Jesus. However, I disagree when it is said and implied that obedience to uncut hair somehow grants more authority than obedience to anything else. This is exactly what is being done too. When stories of miracles happening for women with uncut hair are told the message is clear. That message is that keeping your hair uncut may give you these same miraculous happenings in your life. Now there is no other form of obedience that is taught with anecdotes of miracles. That alone sets this teaching apart from any other teaching about obedience.

Exactly correct.

Maybe I should go around laying my clean toilets on people.

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Exactly correct.

Maybe I should go around laying my clean toilets on people.

ummmm.... NO!

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

ummmm.... NO!

I could start a special ministry!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I could start a special ministry!

And you'd be the head "special" person!

[Pressing-On]

Well, you guys have fun. I have company coming for the weekend and a busy week ahead. I simply have got to get something done. LOL!

[EA]

I have been following this thread, and admit it amuses me.

Where has Bob been living?

He's like the guy whose wife has been cheating on him for years. His friends have told him over and over about her unfaithfulness, but he is so blinded by love that he just can't see the truth, and refuses to acknowledge that evidence of her adultery exists.

He refuses to believe them because he just loves her too much and still thinks of her purity on their wedding day. He's in love with a memory. That girl no longer exists.

Bob, welcome to the conversation.

This abominable doctrine has been preached for years. All of your AFF friends know this. Doctors Segraves and Bernard know this. You know this.

Stop defending it Bob and start demanding answers.

Somebody's been unfaithful.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

I have been following this thread, and admit it amuses me.

Where has Bob been living?

He's like the guy whose wife has been cheating on him for years. His friends have told him over and over about her unfaithfulness, but he is so blinded by love that he just can't see the truth, and refuses to acknowledge that evidence of her adultery exists.

He refuses to believe them because he just loves her too much and still thinks of her purity on their wedding day. He's in love with a memory. That girl no longer exists.

Bob, welcome to the conversation.

This abominable doctrine has been preached for years. All of your AFF friends know this. Doctors Segraves and Bernard know this. You know this.

Stop defending it Bob and start demanding answers.

Somebody's been unfaithful.

Exactly like Dale Dribble, his wife Nancy, and her "lover"/Dale's friend, John Redcorn.





Dale's "son" Jospeh

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by jfrog

1.)
So what has been done by LS is that he has taken the general teaching of obedience leading to authority and added miraculous happenings to the authority that comes from this one particular kind of obedience. Since miraculous things are not spoken of as happening when obeying anything else then he has given obedience to uncut hair a place of higher esteem than obedience to anything else.

Ok, this just happened to me Saturday-

I was at a conference here in town, the church was not UPC. But Keith I saw someone we knew from when we attended a UPC church.

She relayed this story to me as to why she left: She was somewhere (leaving that part out) and they had just preached this message, just like jfrog is saying, miracles from obedience to uncut hair-
She was one of the few present with obvious cut hair. The pastor's wife comes up to her and says "If you stop cutting your hair, God will put back together your marriage." Well she didn't have any marital problems to begin with! Then they had all the women with uncut hair come to the alter and pray for the sick. You could not come forward to pray for others if you had cut hair.

To a visitor this stuff must look crazy!

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

I have been following this thread, and admit it amuses me.

Where has Bob been living?

He's like the guy whose wife has been cheating on him for years. His friends have told him over and over about her unfaithfulness, but he is so blinded by love that he just can't see the truth, and refuses to acknowledge that evidence of her adultery exists.

He refuses to believe them because he just loves her too much and still thinks of her purity on their wedding day. He's in love with a memory. That girl no longer exists.

Bob, welcome to the conversation.

This abominable doctrine has been preached for years. All of your AFF friends know this. Doctors Segraves and Bernard know this. You know this.

Stop defending it Bob and start demanding answers.

Somebody's been unfaithful.