Read Segraves on "letting down hair"

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

The link is what Dan posted above from DKB.

Dan, I added (DKB) so others realize that was from him and not you.

That's fine. I read it here.

[DAII]

PO, I remember the last time I saw a prayer cloth was the very last time I heard my dad pray aloud ... a week before his death. The assistant pastor decided to annoint the cloth and the entire church prayed over it ... after my dad had been taken out of ICU .... and it was brought to his room by my mom.

My Dad, with all of his internal organs failing, pneumonia and multiple fractures in his spine grabbed it and simply prayed ... crying out .... "God have your way! Do with me as you will."
I later realized he was trusting fully on his Maker.

When mom left the room ... I asked him if he had given up. He said "Dan, My mind is willing, my body is not. I am tired".

Days later he passed.

No amount of faith focusing .... which sounds like mind control .... on an inanimate object or obedience to a formula or pet conviction will manipulate a Sovereign God.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

I guess, that since we do in actuality have Biblical precedent of laying people in apostles shadows, should we "promote" our sick laying down so that pastor's, missionary's, evangelist's, or modern day apostle's shadows can pass over them for healing? I think some are missing my point... although these are cited in scripture as things believers do to "focus faith", these were at the time "unprecedented" and uncovnentional acts, therefore setting a precedent of other "unprecedented" and "unconventional" acts that may focus faith. We have preachers who teach and encourage handing out handkerchiefs, why not laying in preacher's shadows? And why not letting down hair? If faith is focused, miracles are following, why not? (I say this assuming the "worshipper" understands the biblical significance of uncut hair as an issue of obedience and submission based on a life of faithfulness, and not because the act of uncut hair in itself grants special angelic powers).

The difference here is that there is nothing in scripture that shows us that the apostles ever taught that there was magic in their shadows. In fact, I'm sure they didn't even realize that folks were going to be healed by their shadows, it was a God thing. It was not orchestrated, nor can you ever find any instance where any of the apostles even talked about it, much less preached it as a magic formula for God's blessing. It was a God thing, totally unasked for or unprovoked.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

That's fine. I read it here.

After DA posted it, I deleted the link and my post.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by DAII

PO, I remember the last time I saw a prayer cloth was the very last time I heard my dad pray aloud ... a week before his death. The assistant pastor decided to annoint the cloth and the entire church prayed over it ... after my dad had been taken out of ICU .... and it was brought to his room by my mom.

My Dad, with all of his internal organs failing, pneumonia and multiple fractures in his spine grabbed it and simply prayed ... crying out .... "God have your way! Do with me as you will."
I later realized he was trusting fully on his Maker.

When mom left the room ... I asked him if he had given up. He said "Dan, My mind is willing, my body is not. I am tired".

Days later he passed.

No amount of faith focusing .... which sounds like mind control .... on an inanimate object or obedience to a formula or pet conviction will manipulate a Sovereign God.

Amen!!!!

Very touching story. Thank you for sharing it, Dan.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by DAII

PO, I remember the last time I saw a prayer cloth was the very last time I heard my dad pray aloud ... a week before his death. The assistant pastor decided to annoint the cloth and the entire church prayed over it ... after my dad had been taken out of ICU .... and it was brought to his room by my mom.

My Dad, with all of his internal organs failing, pneumonia and multiple fractures in his spine grabbed it and simply prayed ... crying out .... "God have your way! Do with me as you will."
I later realized he was trusting fully on his Maker.

When mom left the room ... I asked him if he had given up. He said "Dan, My mind is willing, my body is not. I am tired".

Days later he passed.

No amount of faith focusing .... which sounds like mind control .... on an inanimate object or obedience to a formula or pet conviction will manipulate a Sovereign God.

That is the bottom line!

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by DAII

This coming from a guy who claimed not to be debating ....

You continue to be the butt of the joke.

And you're just a plain ol'... umm... er... uhhh.... well... , you're clearly satisfied to disengage your intellect from the words that proceed from the typing of your fingers. I made the observance about you logic being a non sequitor fallacy, as a means of rectifying your thinking process, not for scoring points in a debate. I actually did it out of concern for you Dan, for your enduring proclivity to arrive at incoherent and nonsensical conclusions...

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

And you're just a plain ol'... umm... er... uhhh.... well... , you're clearly satisfied to disengage your intellect from the words that proceed from the typing of your fingers. I made the observane about you logic being non sequitor showing the fallacy as a means of rectifying your thinking process, not for scoring points in a debate. I actually did it out of concern for you Dan, for your enduring proclivity to arrive at incoherent and nonsensical conclusions...

You are very funny to watch!

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

The difference here is that there is nothing in scripture that shows us that the apostles ever taught that there was magic in their shadows.

MP, I've used the same reasoning in my discussions with Prax, LS has never taught "that there is magic in the hair" either... I see where you're going with this... but please see my point here.

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

In fact, I'm sure they didn't even realize that folks were going to be healed by their shadows, it was a God thing. It was not orchestrated, nor can you ever find any instance where any of the apostles even talked about it, much less preached it as a magic formula for God's blessing. It was a God thing, totally unasked for or unprovoked.

I agree with this observation... these demonstrative acts were spontaneous "God-things". Not encouraged or orchistrated. You never read of the apostles specifically encouraging laying in their own shadows, or taking handkerchiefs. Point noted!

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by DAII

PO, I remember the last time I saw a prayer cloth was the very last time I heard my dad pray aloud ... a week before his death. The assistant pastor decided to annoint the cloth and the entire church prayed over it ... after my dad had been taken out of ICU .... and it was brought to his room by my mom.

My Dad, with all of his internal organs failing, pneumonia and multiple fractures in his spine grabbed it and simply prayed ... crying out .... "God have your way! Do with me as you will."
I later realized he was trusting fully on his Maker.

When mom left the room ... I asked him if he had given up. He said "Dan, My mind is willing, my body is not. I am tired".

Days later he passed.

I'm moved and sorry to hear about your dad...

Originally Posted by DAII

No amount of faith focusing .... which sounds like mind control .... on an inanimate object or obedience to a formula or pet conviction will manipulate a Sovereign God.

A bunch of hoorah here Dan... faith focusing = "mind control"? "formula"? "pet conviction"? "Manipulating God"? I guess the "holy magic shadow layers" of Acts 5 were practicing "mind control" and trying to "manipulate God"? You're showing your hand Dan... you are the primary one who uses this kind of language to describe the current "hair phenomenon"... It seems to smack of internal turmoil and bitterness, toward something, I don't know what. I hope that is not the case. See, even in disagreement, I have met on middle ground with most everyone else on here and have been engaging sensibly with all.... except you. You're showing your hand Dan, you're showing your hand...