The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by notofworks

But when I ask, point-blank, if I'm going to heaven, you won't answer.

Yes, I absolutely have been filled with the Holy Spirit as defined by scripture.

was it evidenced as Acts 2 for example "that we can see and hear"?

please explain "defined by scripture" and what that involves?

what do you not understand about "no" in 503? LOL!

YOU SAID...

"Aside from any other things that must be present, can a person make it to heaven that has not repented or been baptized by immersion in water, or been filled with the Holy Spirit as evidence by speaking in other tongues?

Yes? No?"


I SAID...

I would say no...

[KWSS1976]

Did others around you Legalist understand your tongues as they did in Acts 2?

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Did others around you Legalist understand your tongues as they did in Acts 2?

the point is KWS which you want to avoid and did so before in other threads is "witness" by the Spirit. Acts 11 he fell on them (ACTS 10:48 cf) just as he did on us at the beginning? Did Peter mention interpretation or understanding? No, but the evidence/witness and action BY the Spirit.

As Paul asked have you received the HS since or when you believed. Paul is not asking about a blind faith of reception but a manifested presence to know just like Acts 8 as he had not "fallen" upon any of them.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

was it evidenced as Acts 2 for example "that we can see and hear"?

please explain "defined by scripture" and what that involves?

Ephesians 1:13
I John 4:15
John 7:39.

Yes, people have seen and heard it.

[KWSS1976]

No the point is you used Acts2 as a reference....and got burned on it....you guys love to quote that verse but fail to see that all it is was understood diffrent language that the listeners understood. So if you use Acts 2 the tongues you speak must be understood be others just as it was then...

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Ephesians 1:13
I John 4:15
John 7:39.

Yes, people have seen and heard it.

ROFL

...you TOTALLY ignored the points of ACTS 19 and throw scriptures in about "believed".... seriously you can't answer the point of Acts 19 or Act 8 of people that HAD ALREADY BELIEVED and NOT RECEIVED and those of which Paul asked that DID THEY receive since they believed thus know. Not by confessing with mouth which anyone could do and never be changed but God's manifesting presence of acceptance. How in the world you bring up those in relation to my point is insane and ignoring what has been said.

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

No the point is you used Acts2 as a reference....and got burned on it....you guys love to quote that verse but fail to see that all it is was understood diffrent language that the listeners understood. So if you use Acts 2 the tongues you speak must be understood be others just as it was then...

burned? ROFL your clueless on this and STILL don't answer the question. Your rambling about whatever was somehow proof is total ignorance of what was said! Congrats start dealing with the point of Acts 8 and 19.


Did you receive the HS when or since your believed?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

ROFL

...you TOTALLY ignored the points of ACTS 19 and throw scriptures in about "believed".... seriously you can't answer the point of Acts 19 or Act 8 of people that HAD ALREADY BELIEVED and NOT RECEIVED and those of which Paul asked that DID THEY receive since they believed thus know. Not by confessing with mouth which anyone could do and never be changed but God's manifesting presence of acceptance. How in the world you bring up those in relation to my point is insane and ignoring what has been said.

I'll add "Insane" to the long list of names I've been called on AFF. You asked if I'd received the Holy Spirit and I answered it so enjoy your roll on the floor!

NOTE: I just checked my list of names I've been called and someone's already called me, "Insane." Can you think of something a little more original?

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I'll add "Insane" to the long list of names I've been called on AFF. You asked if I'd received the Holy Spirit and I answered it so enjoy your roll on the floor!

NOTE: I just checked my list of names I've been called and someone's already called me, "Insane." Can you think of something a little more original?

wow so basically you have no witness by manifestation BY the Spirit as they expected in Acts 8 or as Paul looked for in Acts 19 post "belief". Simply believing is not automatic reception of the HS. Paul clearly shows this as does Acts 8.

[KWSS1976]

No I have never spoke in tongues see no need to since I believe....

1 Corinthians 14:22 (King James Version)

22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.