What do you think about this prayer?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Well, I don't think tremors that begin when Steve Hill comes to town and then ends when Steve leaves, would or could be physical or neurological. If it's neurological, the tremors aren't just going to magically stop when a revival is finished.

psychologically.

[Praxeas]

We have definitely created our own unique culture, but I have to wonder if that is a hindrance to reaching the lost. I remember someone made a flier to pass out that talked about us as a church with "buzz" words that only a Pentecostal would understand like "moving in the Spirit" or whatever...newtimers have no clue what that is about. They don't necessarily consider someone screaming her head off to just being blessed by the Holy Ghost.

We also tend to try to justify our culture with scriptures. Having said that it's not necessarily unscriptural to dance or shout, but what we have done is made it the normal church experience or "way to worship". And so you actually get some Pastors getting on the saints for not worshiping hard enough because they are not running around in circles or screaming or whatever. I always find that kind of insulting because I am not running or doing that stuff, I got my hands raised and I am just praising Jesus with my lips, not so loud everyone can hear me but Im not necessarily whispering either of course, but I feel the Holy Ghost. I AM worshipping.

We created a false culture of worship that says you are not worshipping unless you are running or whatever

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Question, does that mean that as Peter was having a vision or was "in a trance", he had control over that?

What about Daniel when he fell dead at the angels feet?

I have wondered the same thing. I don't believe these were public displays, much less ways that they sought to enter into communion with God. Today, it appears some seek to enter into an altered state of consciousness as a premium worship experience of sorts. Not really akin to an Apostle receiving a vision to prep him for bringing the Gospel to the Gentiles.

Another question, assuming it's all of the Spirit, have we become conditioned to act a certain way when we feel the Spirit moving? You know the found Spirit filled congregations in Russia who never shouted, danced or whatever....yet they were all Spirit filled, speaking in tongues etc etc....they couldn't shout or dance then. They had to be very reserved unless they were caught

I have wondered this too, and I believe my own experience even bears it out. I have even questioned whether I have been one of Pavlov's dogs.

[missourimary]

OK... part of me wants to ask, so are the people I've heard preach the last 10 years or so wrong to say that the people in these videos don't have the "real Holy Ghost" because they obviously don't have the standards and probably don't know about Jesus name baptism? Because they did.
Another part of me wants to say, wow, these video clips (especially Brownsville) are amazingly close to EXACTLY what my former church was doing when I left! Right down to the very phrases used. Except that if they fell at my church, they were snatched back to their feet to shout some more.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by missourimary

OK... part of me wants to ask, so are the people I've heard preach the last 10 years or so wrong to say that the people in these videos don't have the "real Holy Ghost" because they obviously don't have the standards and probably don't know about Jesus name baptism?
Another part of me wants to say, wow, these video clips (especially Brownsville) are amazingly close to EXACTLY what my former church was doing when I left! Right down to the very phrases used. Except that if they fell at my church, they were snatched back to their feet to shout some more.

You might get a mixture of answers on this. But as for me I think there is 1 Holy Ghost, either you got it or you don't. I think that at Brownsville the HG DID move, but just like with many moves of the HG once man starts trying to direct it and move it 'man's way' God takes a step back and things change.

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I have wondered this too, and I believe my own experience even bears it out. I have even questioned whether I have been one of Pavlov's dogs.

I've had a few Pavlovian experiences too...

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Another question, assuming it's all of the Spirit, have we become conditioned to act a certain way when we feel the Spirit moving?

Interesting question. I think we are, definitely, conditioned to do or expect certain things. Even the way we worship is usually due to conditioning.

I don't think it would have ever occurred to me, out of the blue, to twirl in circles, screech, etc. during worship. My natural inclination is to weep, or fall to my knees. But I have, in times past, forced myself into twirling, because I was conditioned to believe that that was what you were supposed to do when the Spirit was really moving on you. That was the ultimate. If you didn't reach that point, you didn't really break through.

I was raised in a church where the women raised their hands to the sky and twirled. When we changed to a different church, I noticed that the women twirled with their arms down at their sides. I thought they were worshiping God incorrectly.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

We have definitely created our own unique culture, but I have to wonder if that is a hindrance to reaching the lost. I remember someone made a flier to pass out that talked about us as a church with "buzz" words that only a Pentecostal would understand like "moving in the Spirit" or whatever...newtimers have no clue what that is about. They don't necessarily consider someone screaming her head off to just being blessed by the Holy Ghost.

We also tend to try to justify our culture with scriptures. Having said that it's not necessarily unscriptural to dance or shout, but what we have done is made it the normal church experience or "way to worship". And so you actually get some Pastors getting on the saints for not worshiping hard enough because they are not running around in circles or screaming or whatever. I always find that kind of insulting because I am not running or doing that stuff, I got my hands raised and I am just praising Jesus with my lips, not so loud everyone can hear me but Im not necessarily whispering either of course, but I feel the Holy Ghost. I AM worshipping.

We created a false culture of worship that says you are not worshipping unless you are running or whatever

My goodness... why don't folks get this.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by missourimary

OK... part of me wants to ask, so are the people I've heard preach the last 10 years or so wrong to say that the people in these videos don't have the "real Holy Ghost" because they obviously don't have the standards and probably don't know about Jesus name baptism? Because they did.
Another part of me wants to say, wow, these video clips (especially Brownsville) are amazingly close to EXACTLY what my former church was doing when I left! Right down to the very phrases used. Except that if they fell at my church, they were snatched back to their feet to shout some more.

Today's Pentecostals share heritage, for better of for worse, from events in the last 100 years -- including Azusa, Latter Rain, Charismatic Renewal, Brownsville/Toronto and on and on. None of us are exempt from the influence of these movements.

Sadly, so many strange things in our history. Yes, blame it on pride, but I'm embarrassed. Everything from British Israelism to Shepherding Movement to people barking like dogs.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

You might get a mixture of answers on this. But as for me I think there is 1 Holy Ghost, either you got it or you don't. I think that at Brownsville the HG DID move, but just like with many moves of the HG once man starts trying to direct it and move it 'man's way' God takes a step back and things change.

I guess I can't say if it was His Spirit or not. Maybe... I lean toward "yes" but I'm not certain.