What has notofworks inspired you to do today? - Page 3

Jeffrey · #21 05-04-2010, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

But Jeffrey, wouldn't that depend on your definition of love. "God is love!" and He is all we need! Of course the Beatles were probably talking about a different definition of love. (But, that in itself would preach!)

Been Thinkin (Especially since reading your post!)

If that is what is in mind when people say that. If they are thinking "All we need is God." When we say God is love, we are saying God's character eminates with love. He defines it. He is it. He is the ultimate objection and motivator of love. Love apart from God is just an empty stage show.

When our world sings "all we need is love" we help them redefine that love so it is not just vain emotion and spinning in circles, but has a depth it is being poured out from. The article I posted says it better.

pelathais · #22 05-04-2010, 01:32 AM

I dunno, CC1. Your sardonic quips that opened this thread seem a bit out of character for you.

Truth of the matter is; when I was preaching every Sunday I didn't really begin to outline my thoughts until Saturday night at the earliest and usually early Sunday morning. I put everything I had into those sermons, Bible studies and everything I preached but the actual formulation of "the message" came just before I got up there. Was that wrong?

Most of the other ministers around me bemoaned the fact that I even used notes or had an outline. I was a "Bible Scholar" (shudder!). But most folks seemed blessed by this.

As far as the music of the Beatles... I'd have to hear the actual message that was delivered before I could judge. There is an endlessly rich source of metaphor in their music and it is something that a lot of people can touch bases with; so why not use it as a hook?

Coffee99 · #23 05-04-2010, 02:46 AM

NOW has taught me that it is ok to step away from the herd and watch them thunder by. He has made me think - often. I have no doubt that NOW lives what he believes - everywhere including a forum. And know from a couple of discussions that it has come at a great personal cost to him. I respect greatly that he considers the profile of the area that he is trying to reach and uses whatever tools he feels will get the job done. Some of the stained glass churches that people often look down upon discovered some time ago that many U2 songs could accompany a message and used them to reach an entirely new audience and get them into the churches. For NOW, it's the Beatles. What a great concept. He has 40+ new Christians to show it worked. Proof's in the pudding. All in all, NOW is a pretty terrific example of what a Christian life should be like on a daily basis.

As for the Sunday sermon prep, I can remember a time when it was considered a put-down if you prepared your sermons prior to Saturday night or Sunday morning. I've heard way too many derisive remarks about how those other churches couldn't possibly be close to God when the pastor knew a week ahead of time what he would be preaching. I know that pastors "studied" through the week, but often bragged about "this is what God laid on my heart last night/this morning to preach to you". I suspect that NOW works on his sermon all week - it comes to him in bits and bobs as he is out and about, doing what he should be doing. I suspect the ideas and thoughts are formulatig all week as he sees what is needed by those in his congregation and his community. Probably a pretty good way to get a message to bring.

(NOW, I prefer U2 but that's just me. If you ever put together one of these things using U2 songs (or a few Pink Floyd but maybe that's pushing the envelope) let me know!)

Dedicated Mind · #24 05-04-2010, 04:56 AM

I think NOW is great and level headed. I just wonder how someone with a upc background became a trinitarian? Anyone have any insight?

mfblume · #25 05-04-2010, 09:48 AM

This is not about any person, but I think the idea of using the Beatles to promote the Gospel is an oxymoron of issues. The Beatles were one of the greatest tools of the enemy to get millions hooked on drugs. They blatantly challenged the concept of Jesus Christ. Though Lennon apologized due to money issues, obviously not meaning it at all, he self-glorifyingly stated they were more popular than Jesus Christ. Lennon wrote IMAGINE, singing he believed in no hell or no heaven. George Harrison caused a tremendous push of people to praise Hare Krishna.

All that is kiddie pop nowadays when compared to the likes of Korn and Marilyn Manson and Slipknot, but before people were as desensitized as they are today, those things were as shocking, and rightly so, as much as blatantly wicked singers like Manson. To use the Beatles in church today would be like waiting another 30-40 years and using Marilyn Manson in church.

My opinion.

iceniez · #26 05-04-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

This is not about any person, but I think the idea of using the Beatles to promote the Gospel is an oxymoron of issues. The Beatles were one of the greatest tools of the enemy to get millions hooked on drugs. They blatantly challenged the concept of Jesus Christ. Though Lennon apologized due to money issues, obviously not meaning it at all, he self-glorifyingly stated they were more popular than Jesus Christ. Lennon wrote IMAGINE, singing he believed in no hell or no heaven. George Harrison caused a tremendous push of people to praise Hare Krishna.

All that is kiddie pop nowadays when compared to the likes of Korn and Marilyn Manson and Slipknot, but before people were as desensitized as they are today, those things were as shocking, and rightly so, as much as blatantly wicked singers like Manson. To use the Beatles in church today would be like waiting another 30-40 years and using Marilyn Manson in church.

My opinion.

BRAVO !!!!!!!!!,and AMEN.

Jeffrey · #27 05-04-2010, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

This is not about any person, but I think the idea of using the Beatles to promote the Gospel is an oxymoron of issues. The Beatles were one of the greatest tools of the enemy to get millions hooked on drugs. They blatantly challenged the concept of Jesus Christ. Though Lennon apologized due to money issues, obviously not meaning it at all, he self-glorifyingly stated they were more popular than Jesus Christ. Lennon wrote IMAGINE, singing he believed in no hell or no heaven. George Harrison caused a tremendous push of people to praise Hare Krishna.

All that is kiddie pop nowadays when compared to the likes of Korn and Marilyn Manson and Slipknot, but before people were as desensitized as they are today, those things were as shocking, and rightly so, as much as blatantly wicked singers like Manson. To use the Beatles in church today would be like waiting another 30-40 years and using Marilyn Manson in church.

My opinion.

And how anti-Christ were the Epicurean poets that Paul quoted from? He used something common to make a not-so-common application.

Like Pel, it would all depend on how NOW used it before I made any judgement about how I would personally "do things differently."

Twisp · #28 05-04-2010, 11:53 AM

Well, today, he has inspired me to try and be a kinder person, and to trust for lemonade when handed lemons.

ForeverBlessed · #29 05-04-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

One thing I've learned from him is to be yourself and not mindlessly go along with the herd mentality. Another thing I've learned from him is to stand for truth even if it costs you disapproval of family. Another thing I've learned from him is to speak out for your values even though it brings a firestorm of criticism and mockery from your peers (by peers I mean AFF members). Now, by saying I've learned from him does not mean that I am a young man looking and learning from an older person by their example. But I mean that he has demonstrated these things to me by his personal example. To use a good emerging church term, he has "modeled" these things.

I agree... there are many things to admire about NOW. Thanks to his testimony on one thread, and encouragement on how he lost his weight. I have lost ten lbs this month and looking forward to continued weight loss.

n david · #30 05-04-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

This is not about any person, but I think the idea of using the Beatles to promote the Gospel is an oxymoron of issues. The Beatles were one of the greatest tools of the enemy to get millions hooked on drugs. They blatantly challenged the concept of Jesus Christ. Though Lennon apologized due to money issues, obviously not meaning it at all, he self-glorifyingly stated they were more popular than Jesus Christ. Lennon wrote IMAGINE, singing he believed in no hell or no heaven. George Harrison caused a tremendous push of people to praise Hare Krishna.

All that is kiddie pop nowadays when compared to the likes of Korn and Marilyn Manson and Slipknot, but before people were as desensitized as they are today, those things were as shocking, and rightly so, as much as blatantly wicked singers like Manson. To use the Beatles in church today would be like waiting another 30-40 years and using Marilyn Manson in church.

My opinion.

I have heard Marilyn Manson, Jay Z, Rhianna and other music used in church during a message .... recently as a matter of fact ...

... a message about eeeevil music and how it influences you.

I know what you were meaning, I just wanted to mess with ya.

On a serious note, I don't think it's wrong to use their songs [Beatles] - in moderation. I don't think the Beatles really can be compared to someone like Manson.