When Will the Third Temple Be Built

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

You are avoiding the facts that the WORLD witnessed the death and resurrection of these two witnesses.

DM, are you saying the whole entire planet will witness this happening?

Or is that also spiritual?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

DM, are you saying the whole entire planet will witness this happening?

Or is that also spiritual?

Don't you know that above verse proves that it must have been referring to television.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

Brother Blume, I read through your thread on revelation, and while I agree that there are parallels in the OT. You didn't provide any evidence that the events in Rev were already fulfilled or not in the future.

My point was not to prove they are either future or not, but to show the basis people use to demand they're future is faulty. Since these details were taken at face value, and since such literal events never occurred, literalists have always used that as their basis to say Rev. is future. I just showed that is faulty reasoning. And this removes the grounds saying that these things did not yet occur. It makes us realize we have to look for some other proof they did not occur. And the fact is they could very well have been fulfilled when we realize we did not have to look for literal fulfillments. This brings on an entirely whole new approach to interpreting Revelation. I think my series of posts PROVED THAT.

Hardly anyone ever wants to do this, but the BEST way to discuss views on Revelation is to discuss the MANNER OF INTERPRETATION rather than the interpretations themselves.

I read through Zech 4 and I see the 2 olive trees and references to the temple, but I don't see any verse that would cause me to interpret rev 11 as being a past event.

No problem. But that was not my point in bringing up Zech 4. The point was WHY does Rev 11 point us to Zech 4?

Just because there are OT references, doesn't mean Rev has already been fulfilled.

I agree. Not my point, though.

I don't see the connection or evidence for that in the OT references.

I agree. However, since Rev 11 makes references to Joshua and Zerubbabel in Zech 4 and also Moses and Elijah in Exodus and Kings, we know it is error to pawn it off as easy as saying they have to be Moses and Elijah. So why would Moses, Elijah, Zerubbabel and Joshua be implied in this prophecy? These are the questions we must ask and use in determining their identities. I only ask you why you do not deal with those facts in your assessments. And if you can realize we have to deal with them, and that they somehow are showing us the truth of the prophecy's understanding, then you may also consider that your own viewpoint has been offbase.

I will say this. If you intend to try to learn what purpose Moses, Elijah, Zerubbabel and Joshua the high priest have in this prophecy, and seek to come up with an explanation, you will find people think you are off the wall, too, since they never stopped to consider such details. And without considering these details, you'll get the popular idea, since most people do not bother to deal with the entire prophecy.

My strongest point is all the AT HAND references in Revelation coupled with the overwhelming point that Rev 11 predicted the exact time it took Rome to besiege Jerusalem. We work from the easiest parts to understand and interpret the harder parts.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Don't you know that above verse proves that it must have been referring to television.

Are you kidding?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Are you kidding?

Sadly, no, I was taught the same thing.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Sadly, no, I was taught the same thing.

Sadly, you don't know jfrog. He was kidding.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Sadly, you don't know jfrog. He was kidding.

No, I do not, but I was answering Bro. Benincasa.


However, I was NOT kidding....

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Sadly, no, I was taught the same thing.

How can that be when not every person on earth has a television?

I guess the third worlders miss out on the event, not too many Hatians are sitting down watching television right now let alone electrcity.

I see this eschatology is Americancentric.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

No, I do not, but I was answering Bro. Benincasa.


However, I was NOT kidding....

Nor was I. You answered him incorrectly (EB: Are you serious? TB: Sadly no, I was taught the same thing) and I wanted to help you understand that jfrog was kidding. I just wanted to be a blessing!

[Evang.Benincasa]

And they say all I do is look for a fight? Good grief.