Are Trinitarians Saved?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by UltraCon

If they believe in the Holy Ghost but not One God, will they be saved?

All believe in the Holy Ghost and One God.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You haven't been around the right Trinitarians. I have heard all kinds of stuff from Trinitarians including that OPs are going to hell

Trinitarians send everyone to hell. Their own creed says you have to believe in the Trinity!!! Why is that???!!!

I have had Holiness Church Of God preachers preach that One God Apostolics didn't have the real Holy Ghost.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I have had Holiness Church Of God preachers preach that One God Apostolics didn't have the real Holy Ghost.

Spoken like a true victim with a martyr complex.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Hi! I'd like to start out by saying that it's very good to see you too EB.

It is also great to see you and I pray that everything is going very well for you. Lord bless you in a great and mighty way, my Brother.

Originally Posted by Aquila

My understanding of the Trinity is that according to Trinitarian doctrine GOD is a transcendent and unknowable single essence (being). Within this single essence are three eternal hypostasis (persons or personas) expressing the unknowable aspects of this essence. This essence is primarily revealed through the first person, God the Father. However, immanating from God the Father is the Logos, or God the Son. Immanating from both God the Father and God the Son is God the Holy Spirit. Essentially the Father is transcendent and invisible, seen only through theophanies and his self expression, the Logos. The Logos is the immanating self expression of God the Father in time and space. God the Father continues to be transcendent while the Logos reveals his mind and will within creation. Throughout the OT the Logos appeared as the Angel of the LORD. The Logos was made flesh in the NT and so was begotten by Mary (however being the Father's Logos he was eternally begotten before time began). Having surrendered all divine perogative the Logos became flesh and blood, the man Jesus Christ, God the Son. On the spiritual plane God operates as God the Holy Spirit through the power and the name of God the Son, which is Jesus (hense immanating from both God the Father and God the Son). Each "person" (hypostasis or persona) found in the single divine essence is complete thus separate in personhood, yet unified in essence (ousia). The three are one.

That's my understanding of the Trinity. God bless.

Thank you my friend.

What do you think about the Trinitarian understanding that instead of persona, or three personalities, there are three separate beings, totally separate from each other?

While they share of the essence of GOD, they don't share the abilities of one another. They all act in a unified effort, but are never one literally. They are all called GOD, yet they are not all called SON, FATHER, or HOLY GHOST. Three totally separate beings, individuals, yet all acting as a unified one.

Yet, isn't this four beings if we count the essence of GOD? In the Trinitarian triangle we have GOD in the middle and arms that connect to the father, son, and spirit. Then, on the outside of the triangle it says the father is not the son, and the son is not the father, and the father is not the spirit. Yet all together doesn't that make up four instead of three?

Where is this teaching found in the Torah, or the prophets?

Again thank you for your explanation.

Lord bless you

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by DAII

Spoken like a true victim with a martyr complex.

You are a toad.

[Joey Boneski]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The truth is that you will not find one instance in which the baptizer said the words, "...in the name of Jesus Christ", or, "...in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." Ananias didn't offer to baptize Paul under a liturgical or sacramental formula be it Oneness or Trinitarian. Ananias told Paul to be baptized, calling upon the name of the Lord (Acts 22:16). It was Paul, the one being baptized, that was to call on the name... not the baptizer.

So in this regard both Trinitarians and Oneness Christians are wrong, because they sacramentalize baptism instead of making it the moment the believer calls on the name. If you think you're saved by what a man utters over you... you might as well be Catholic.

I don't believe I said anyone was saved over the words being uttered...Jesus name baptism is what it is...choose your language, sentence structure and adjectives but Jesus is a necessity.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Joey Boneski

I don't believe I said anyone was saved over the words being uttered...Jesus name baptism is what it is...choose your language, sentence structure and adjectives but Jesus is a necessity.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Joey Boneski

I don't believe I said anyone was saved over the words being uttered...Jesus name baptism is what it is...choose your language, sentence structure and adjectives but Jesus is a necessity.

Yes, Jesus saves. Haven't met a Christian who doesn't think He isn't a necessity. Salvation is found in no one else (Acts 4:12)

[Joey Boneski]

Having the revelation of who Jesus is why would anyone want to be baptized in the titles describing him and not the name he instructed us to call on? Its something I can't figure out no matter how long this debate goes back and forth...can anyone answer that without twisting words and sentence structures?

[SOUNWORTHY]

Originally Posted by Joey Boneski

Having the revelation of who Jesus is why would anyone want to be baptized in the titles describing him and not the name he instructed us to call on? Its something I can't figure out no matter how long this debate goes back and forth...can anyone answer that without twisting words and sentence structures?

If Jesus loved me enough to die for me, I want to take His name in Baptism.