Are Trinitarians Saved? - Page 18

allstate1 · #**171** 05-21-2010, 09:16 AM

Am I the only one who believes salvation is simple that even an uneducated illiterate idiot can be saved? What about deaf and mute people are the just outa luck?? They are not able to call on any name and they would just have to trust someone is saying the name Jesus over them!! One does not have to disect and cross reference every word of the Bible with 47 Hebrew and Greek scholars!

Sam · #**172** 05-21-2010, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by allstate1

Am I the only one who believes salvation is simple that even an uneducated illiterate idiot can be saved? What about deaf and mute people are the just outa luck?? They are not able to call on any name and they would just have to trust someone is saying the name Jesus over them!! One does not have to disect and cross reference every word of the Bible with 47 Hebrew and Greek scholars!

IMHO, salvation is just accepting a gift God offers. It is an inward surrender of the heart and will.

allstate1 · #**173** 05-21-2010, 09:21 AM

Lets say a die-hard Oneness person does make it to Heaven and when he arrives he finds Jesus sitting at the right hand of God will he be so set in his oneness beliefs that he does not wanna be there??

Sam · #**174** 05-21-2010, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by allstate1

Lets say a die-hard Oneness person does make it to Heaven and when he arrives he finds Jesus sitting at the right hand of God will he be so set in his oneness beliefs that he does not wanna be there??

maybe he wouldn't recognize Jesus there.
he might think someone is sitting in Jesus' chair and tell him to get off.

Jermyn Davidson · #**175** 05-21-2010, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by allstate1

Am I the only one who believes salvation is simple that even an uneducated illiterate idiot can be saved? What about deaf and mute people are the just outa luck?? They are not able to call on any name and they would just have to trust someone is saying the name Jesus over them!! One does not have to disect and cross reference every word of the Bible with 47 Hebrew and Greek scholars!

It is possible to make a strong stand and at the same time not doom others to hell who happen to not agree with you.

I wish that more would learn this truth!

Evang.Benincasa · #**176** 05-21-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I think Trinitarians simply see God through the stained glass window of church tradition. Most Trinitarians who simply read the Bible describe God in ways that don't do violence to Oneness doctrine, even if they don't see the more subtle nuances of our teaching. I don't rule out a person's salvation just because they are Trinitarian. Nor do I assume one is saved merely because they are Oneness Apostolic.

Both schools of doctrine have their strengths and weakenesses. I don't think either one is 100%, though I do think Oneness comes the closest to what the Apostles must have believed. I think that if the Apostles read some of our Oneness books they'd agree with a lot of it... and then correct us on a few of the finer points.

Thank you my friend.

Do you believe that we living today can come to the same understanding that the apostles had on the godhead?

Or is the Bible just another ancient document written to an ancient culture who is long gone? Therefore we have no clear idea of what they meant in their writings or what they believed? Also, if we are wrong about one portion, couldn't we be as equally as wrong about others? Doesn't that lead us down the wrong roads that end up in the wrong places?

What about the Spirit of Truth leading us into all Truth? Do you believe that can be possible?

Lord bless you in a great way

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Evang.Benincasa · #**177** 05-21-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

It is possible to make a strong stand and at the same time not doom others to hell who happen to not agree with you.

I wish that more would learn this truth!

Jesus and the apostles had some strong words for those who went against their teachings. Paul turned people over to Satan, disfellowshipped individuals, warned chruches against those who greatly withstood his words.
Peter also made a comment that there were those who wrested the scripture and Paul's writings, and therefore led themselves to their own destruction.
John warned of false prophets and that the church should try their spirits to see if they were of God. John in Rev 2:2 commends the church for trying those who said they were apostles and were not and found them to be liars.

Tit 3:10-11

"A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."

It was two strikes and they were out?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Jermyn Davidson · #**178** 05-21-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Jesus and the apostles had some strong words for those who went against their teachings. Paul turned people over to Satan, disfellowshipped individuals, warned chruches against those who greatly withstood his words.
Peter also made a comment that there were those who wrested the scripture and Paul's writings, and therefore led themselves to their own destruction.
John warned of false prophets and that the church should try their spirits to see if they were of God. John in Rev 2:2 commends the church for trying those who said they were apostles and were not and found them to be liars.

Tit 3:10-11

"A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."

It was two strikes and they were out?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Your application of the scriptures quoted would doom just about all of the Christians to hell-- except for Apostolics, and maybe not even half of us.

You are so serious about this too!

I don't see how I could have ever thought like you.

I don't know how I ever will think like that again.

Quite honestly, I don't want to.

berkeley · #**179** 05-21-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Your application of the scriptures quoted would doom just about all of the Christians to hell-- except for Apostolics, and maybe not even half of us.

You are so serious about this too!

I don't see how I could have ever thought like you.

I don't know how I ever will think like that again.

Quite honestly, I don't want to.

Wow, you are very thin-skinned.

Jermyn Davidson · #**180** 05-21-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkley

Wow, you are very thin-skinned.

I am not think skinned.

How do you get that impression?