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Old 05-25-2010, 12:27 PM
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:29 PM
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Text in red is my thoughts on your post. Not trying to be smart, but I am over 50, by quite a bit, and admire your zeal. But remember that a zeal, "not according to knowledge" is not good. Be zealous but don't be judgmental. And that goes for me, too.

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From what I've read on this website thus far, I cannot imagine that this will be a popular thread. Never the less, I will post it anyway, because I am concerned about the Apostolic movement.

What Apostolic Movement? Which group are you worried about? There are numerous "Apostolic groups" with numerous doctrines and teachings.[/COLOR]

This movement has let go of a lot of things that it used to stand for.

Show me one group that is still exactly like they were 50 years ago! I know of no group of ladies, (and there may be some that I don't know about) who look and dress like they did 50 years ago. Oh, yes, I said ladies, for the men have never dressed any different than the world for the most part.

While most preachers still believe Acts 2:38, the message of Holiness has become a touchy subject. I was surprised when ministers sat on Bro. Guy Godwin when he taught against ladies cutting their hair. I thought that was a given! After all, 1 Corinthians 11:14-16 is still in the Bible.

Does your church practice the following teaching? ..... 1Co 14:34* Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Ti 2:11* Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12* But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.


If not.....why not? Could it have been dealing with customs of that day? Does the hair deal with the custom of that day and the Koluma (sp) veil? Wouldn't you be better off and safer if your wife dressed like some of the women of Eastern descent with the long flowing garment to the feet with her face veiled? Better to be safe than sorry! Right?

I love the way the NLT translates this passage: "14 Isn’t it obvious that it’s disgraceful for a man to have long hair? 15 And isn’t long hair a woman’s pride and joy? For it has been given to her as a covering. 16 But if anyone wants to argue about this, I simply say that we have no other custom than this, and neither do God’s other churches."

I'm not sure why we're suddenly confused about this subject. Men that preached this for years are now backing down from their previous stance. Television was preached against in the 60s.

(Radio was preached against before television!)

How much more so should we preach against it today? Every time this issue is brought up on this site, the same argument is presented; "What is the difference between Television and Internet?" I agree that anyone can use the Internet for evil if they want to.

(There is far greater evil on the internet than has ever been on TV. Any kind of sex can be found on the internet. And don't tell me about blocking certain things on the internet. Our kids are more learned about the internet than we adults will ever be. What was the age of the kid who hacked in on Sarah Palin's emails and what are the ages of the kids who are breaking into computer systems of big companies? We don't fool our kids. They sit back and watch us be inconsistent and then when they get old enough they walk off and leave our religion for something that makes sense! Sorry but you know it's the truth! Why are so many of the kids of the big time leaders of Pentecostal organizations leaving those organizations by the droves?)

The same goes for the Bible. Let me explain. I can take the book of Song of Solomon and allow my imagination to run wild on certain verses. I can even take certain passages in the Gospel's and twist them to fit what I believe. If a person is determined to sin, then he will find a way. The Bible defines sin this way in James 4:17, "17Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin."

So should we preach against all technology? Of course not!

(Why not? All of it offers some risks and the Pentecostals can't stand any risks! And if you're using the Song of Solomon as a sex book you need to get you a TV! )

What we need to consider here, is are we allowing ourselves to be tempted beyond what we can bear?

(1Co 10:13* There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.)


If a person has a problem with porn, they shouldn't use the internet without the proper filters.

(When you set filters you can't turn them off???? Come on!!! If you can put a filter on you can take a filter off! If you have no more inner spiritual strength than you are manifesting on your post you best not be even in the room where a computer is, especially if you're by yourself!)

In fact, no one should use the internet without the proper filters. If you have a problem with lust, don't watch video's that will awaken those desires. Here's what I believe. Don't watch Hollywood...period. Whether it's on a Television screen, DVD player, the internet, exc. don’t watch it! Television however, cannot be controlled. I can hear your responses now. "I control mine." "I've never watched bad programs on my TV set." Let me ask you a question, and you'd better answer it honestly. Has your definition of "bad" changed at all since you purchased that TV?

Now proudfather, be honest and you'd better be as you stated. Have you EVER changed on anything that you previously believed? If not, you are certainly an exception. Boy, to get it ALL right the first time is a miracle in my opinion! How I would like to think that I always got it right the first time around.

Me and my wife attended a church that let down the standard for a while. We went out and bought some movies during this ordeal, and we started out innocently enough by watching Disney movies, PG films, exc. However, we started watching Star Trek, Star Wars, Batman movies and other PG-13 films. Before we knew it, we were watching R rated films because they only contained one bad scene or just a few cuss words. The Holy Ghost convicted me in prayer and even though the church I was attending didn't preach against it, I got rid of every DVD that I owned.

Sound extreme? Let me tell you that Heaven is cheap at any price. I am willing to give up anything and everything if Christ convicts me to do so.

Is there a possibility that many of "OUR" convictions are things that we want to be convicted of? Are we selective in what we "listen to" from the Lord?

Television may seem ok on the surface, but in reality, it is moving your boundaries. If it was wrong 30 years ago, it is still wrong today. Paul said, “For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor."

Then this must mean you can never change on anything! If you do you may be a transgressor! And boy, who wants to take a chance?

I wouldn't want to stand in the shoes of a compromiser on the Day of Judgment.

How would you like to stand in the shoes of a judger on the day of judgement?

Scripture tells us that teachers/ministers are subject to a stricter judgment. I don't know about you, but I want to be saved.

Now, I will quote the words of Job: "Suffer me that I may speak; and after that I have spoken, mock on."

You're probably thinking that I am about 50 years old, ignorant, and countrified. Well, you're wrong on two accounts. I am in my 20's and I grew up in the city. I am ignorant, but God will use the unlearned to preach this Gospel. I am trying to learn more about him every day. I pray that I might know Him, in the power of the real Holy Ghost.
I'm intrigued by your last line. It is bolded above. Who judges the "real Holy Ghost" and the "unreal Holy Ghost?" How do you judge that?

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Old 05-25-2010, 12:32 PM
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Text in red is my thoughts on your post. Not trying to be smart, but I am over 50, by quite a bit, and admire your zeal. But remember that a zeal, "not according to knowledge" is not good. Be zealous but don't be judgmental. And that goes for me, too.

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I'm intrigued by your last line. It is bolded above. Who judges the "real Holy Ghost" and the "unreal Holy Ghost?" How do you judge that?

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ProudFather, can you do us a favor, though? No matter how this thread turns out, can you hang around and keep posting? I'm certain that I, and others, will have you changed within 6 months!

And can you answer what I pointed out in an earlier post about mocking and name-calling? No one here is doing that to you.
LOL. You're pretty funny. I'll stick around, but you won't change my mind. I actually attend a church that some might consider liberal. That hasn't changed me at all. I already mentioned what my family believes.

I'm sorry if I came on a little strong here. I've just seen the way cons. have been treated on past threads.
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ProudFather, can you do us a favor, though? No matter how this thread turns out, can you hang around and keep posting? I'm certain that I, and others, will have you changed within 6 months!

And can you answer what I pointed out in an earlier post about mocking and name-calling? No one here is doing that to you.
You are correct, NOW, no one has "mocked" or "name called." I'd like to push PF a bit though on his claims... just what is the absolute standard that anyone can use to discern whether or not our "inner convictions" are from God and not the result of some sort of cultural of other social pressures like simple peer pressure to conform to a group that one admires?
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yeah.... do a little search on this. He is correct. I am not talking about standards but the mentality behind law and faithfulness. He is a softie... hard to lose your salvation and all.
Who's a softie? Not sure what you're referencing.

Just how "easy" is it to lose one's salvation? What does it take? A bad thought unconfessed? I'm really curious about that.
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Who's a softie? Not sure what you're referencing.

Just how "easy" is it to lose one's salvation? What does it take? A bad thought unconfessed? I'm really curious about that.
HAHAHAHA I knew I would get you going. Hope things are going good!
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HAHAHAHA I knew I would get you going. Hope things are going good!
Nice dodge, TL.

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LOL. You're pretty funny. I'll stick around, but you won't change my mind. I actually attend a church that some might consider liberal. That hasn't changed me at all. I already mentioned what my family believes.

I'm sorry if I came on a little strong here. I've just seen the way cons. have been treated on past threads.
I've been in alot of these threads. The cons that actually come in with the right attitude and not just trying to fire from the hip get respect and are not treated badly. That doesn't mean people agree with them though. Now if they come in here swinging wildly then many on here swing back just as hard.
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LOL. You're pretty funny. I'll stick around, but you won't change my mind. I actually attend a church that some might consider liberal. That hasn't changed me at all. I already mentioned what my family believes.

I'm sorry if I came on a little strong here. I've just seen the way cons. have been treated on past threads.
Keep digging in threads and see how "cons" treat others. That's where the "name calling" comes in. In fact, if your church is as "liberal" as you say, then it has probably already been publicly denounced, falsely accused and sent to hell at least once on these pages.
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